We’ve reached the final episode of season 3. Together with the help of my partner Alex, we’re answering listener questions, recalling some of the most important things we’ve learned from our guests about dissociation and trauma, and discussing some of our favorite moments from the past season.
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Lisa Danylchuk 0:02
Welcome to the How we can heal podcast. My name is Lisa Danylchuk, and I'm a psychotherapist specializing in complex trauma treatment. I'm a graduate of UCLA and Harvard University, and I'm thrilled to share these reflections on how we can heal with you today. Hey, everyone, welcome back to Episode 12 season three of the how we can help podcast I've got Alex Castellanos here, and we are going to take some time to reflect not too much time because we haven't been sleeping much lately. It's been about six weeks since we brought Isabella into the world. Well, I mean, I brought her in, let's be honest. But you had something that you caught her. We caught her. You caught her. So we brought her in? Yeah, I did carry over for 10 months. You'll be here and you helped here there for sure you were involved with the process. So thank you for that. So we would like to reflect on this beautiful season that was really meant to come out a little bit before the baby was born. But it's been a beautiful process. Nonetheless, yes. Just learning and hearing feedback from each of you as we've gone through releasing each episode. So today, we're going to take some time to reflect I'm going to answer a few questions that have come in and we'll talk a little bit about what's next. Are you ready to roll?
Alex Castellanos 1:27
I'm ready, let's
Lisa Danylchuk 1:28
go. Okay. So the first thing that came in were a few questions from audience members. The first one comes from Matthew in Oakland. And he said, I'm not a therapist, but I am interested in helping people heal. This entire season is all about dissociation. Why do we all need to know about dissociation? And I have lots of thoughts about this. But the main answer is just to have more awareness, right. So if we're aware of something, we can catch it sooner, we can hopefully prevent it, we can help people get proper treatment, and just reduce suffering overall, for folks who really are going through it. Most of the time, when extreme forms of dissociation like we've covered this season, people are having a pretty tough time. So global awareness, societal awareness helps support those people. It's kind of like so my man friend here, Alex is in has been for many years in emergency services. So he has like those epic first aid kits, wherever we go, right? In the back of every car, there's like a tourniquet and all this stuff, right. And I've had some training in first aid, I vomit that needles and out when I give my own blood as an adult. So not quite right cup of tea. But when I've learned what to do, if I'm out in the wilderness, and somebody gets a puncture wound, I've learned to just leave the thing in it right? Like don't, somebody gets hit with a dark, don't pull it out. That's like a basic medical knowledge that a lot of people benefit from, from many of us knowing it, would you say? Yeah, right. I mean, if you arrive on the scene in an emergency, and somebody knows that, it helps you, right? helps you get them to medical care quicker, it helps you, you know, not have to manage so much distress it. It just reduces the drama and the trauma release. So I think of mental health and dissociation, I always like to pick physical examples, because those are tangible when we get those more, kind of like all of us knowing CPR, all of us knowing. And it doesn't even have to be a reaction or a treatment. It's just the awareness. It's just the awareness. Don't pull the thing out. Right. And I like that one, because it goes back to what we talked about in our first episode, which was, you know, often people go, Oh, you've been through trauma, tell me the story. Right? They want you to just like get get to the heart of it, let's, let's fix it right now. And that approach, it can be too much too fast, as we talked about can be akin to just like, let's just pull the dark out of your arm instead of stabilizing you and getting you to care and then figuring out a strategic way to get it out and get, you know, the right support in at the right time. So I think it makes it better for everyone rather than the absence of knowledge or the ignorance of that knowledge, making it worse for everyone. So that's my that's my answer to you, Matthew and Oakland. You talk about it more, and I'm sure we will in future episodes and seasons kind of touched on this topic. We have another question. I'm gonna get to Shareen from Texas says I love learning about this, and I'm in a bit over my head. I'm a yoga teacher. And I'm wondering, can yoga help with dissociation? Now we've had episodes on this show where we've talked about yoga and trauma. I have a whole book about yoga and trauma recovery. We do talk about dissociation and how yoga connects to that in depth there. And it's also an audible if your listeners you can go there if you want like the deep dive but I'm going to give a shout Our answer to this question, which is, yes. But we do need to kind of have all those precautions in place like we're not trying to go in there. I have been in yoga workshops. Have you been with me in any of these, where people are like, Let's do shadow work, let's get in there we just met pull up your deepest, darkest memories. And I don't recommend that. I've also been in workshops, where there's it's the general public, but there's like a lot of really deep getting in touch with your pelvic floor and pelvic muscles. And those are great workshops. But if you're working with sexual trauma, that might be too much too fast. So hopefully, in the context, everything we talked about the season, that makes sense. But what I like to think of in terms of yoga, is that it's an associative process. Remember, in episode three, Michael coy was talking about EMDR. And he was talking about how do we define dissociation? Well, dissociation is a disconnect, the lack of association, and in healing, we're often looking to re associate things, right? We're looking for these processes of association and EMDR is one of those. I think yoga is one of those two, because it asks you to get in touch with your body. Yeah. Alex and I were talking earlier about just that, like, head heart connection even. Right? Like, can it be dissociated, if your head and your heart or your head and your body aren't connected? Yeah, so it's a lack of association. So we're inviting Association, often in yoga, yoga means union. So the really important thing to know there is just to not do too much too fast or force it right, and to bring in all these supports, and bring in all these options. Many healing modalities have this opportunity for Association and that can be profoundly profoundly healing. Like, I don't know, if there's, you have memories of being in a yoga class, I certainly do. And just like feeling, an emotion that I hadn't been super connected to, like, a wave of sadness comes through, and you go, Oh, I didn't realize that was there. But now that I've moved my body and breathe for an hour, I kind of unearthed it and was able to move through it. You know, when we're digging for that stuff. And we want it, it's a very different experience than when it just sort of comes in out of nowhere and floods everything. So short answer, I think, yes, yoga is about union and connection. And in many different ways, and from many different angles, it can be a process of association. So we just be aware of that, take that flow. Anything you want to add my love or questions.
Alex Castellanos 7:30
So I was thinking dissociation, in terms of like thinking of yoga. So yoga helps you connect your head to your body or body to your head. And that is how you can actually be able to see the beam. Right? You're you within, yeah. And so if you are not connected, then you have to. So it's a split, it's a split Exactly. And dissociation happens to be like a fragment or a fragment, depending on how you got there, right, the trauma that got you there, or got a person there.
Lisa Danylchuk 8:12
So you're making me think now of what Marian Kate described in her episode with dissociation with when we start to talk about fragmentation, especially if identities are like dissociative identity. You think about a car with multiple people in it, and the driver is like the person running the show. And then there might be a child in the backseat, there might be a teenager in the front passenger seat, and di D, when we really have that deep sort of amnesic split and different sort of personalities or identities. Switching, then we'll have the, the whole driver will switch, right. But many of us can probably relate to and this also makes me think of Wendy's episode, she talks a lot about ego state therapy, we can have different identities or ego states within us. Like we could all probably relate to being in the driver's seat of the car and having other feelings or voices come up like say, you're at work and your boss says something and, you know, you're you're driving the ship, you're running the show, you're driving the car, and part of you gets angry and wants to just mouth off, right and drop all the F bombs. But that part stays in the backseat, right? While the part in front goes, okay, sure I'll have that cheap by Friday, or whatever it is, right? There's these circumstances and I'm using one where there's like safety and like your, your livelihood might depend on it, right. So there's reasons we do this. And most of us can connect with, like, oh, yeah, there's there's something else happening and I always think with yoga, to go back to Sharon's question. There's so much in the backseat. There's so much in the car that we've just packed up and are carrying along with us all the time. That then we sort of take this mindful, slow process of moving and breathing and inviting connection, and then it all just comes up and out, right? It's like, Oh, where did that come from? So I don't even remember your question at this point, because I'm working on three hours of sleep these days. But I do think that head and heart, right, that alignment that in our head and body, and feeling, feeling those different parts is something that a lot of people describe. I mean, I've even had people come in into my private practice. And I say, Well, where do you feel that in your body very common somatic psychotherapist question? And they're like, what? I don't, I don't feel that in my body. And you know, we're all wired differently. So it's not that there's a right and wrong, but it's super interesting, especially when that person's like, I remember when I used to feel it, and I don't anymore, or I want to feel it, but it's totally numb. Right? Numbness is the only sensation they can they can track. So yeah, anything else you want to say about that? head and heart lined up?
Alex Castellanos 11:02
But I was thinking about Matthew. Yeah, no, Glen. And I was thinking about trauma is like, once you understand trauma, it's easy to spot. Yeah. Right. And so, context, if you can spot dissociation or like, you know, like, when people go from one state maybe to the other, then you can have kind of like a little bit of context of like, how severe that trauma was, or, or the whole thing of complex trauma, or you know, all these things. So yeah, so it kind of gives me even, like, another layer of context, when Yeah, when I'm encountering someone who may be experiencing?
Lisa Danylchuk 11:47
Yes. And I think it's great if we all have this understanding more, because colloquially, somebody might say like, that person just changed or switch in the middle of the conversation, like, what's wrong? Or what's going really went on understand it? They might even say that was crazy, or, you know, right? Or if they're getting diagnostic, they might say, oh, that's, you know, psychotic or schizophrenic because it's voices. And it's like, wow, the more you know, and the more you ask, and this makes me think of me back to season one, Heather Hall who talked about, right, you worked at SF San Francisco General at the hospital, and you see people come in perhaps homeless people, people with a lot of mental health issues. They're in there, they're saying something that doesn't make sense in the present environment. But as Heather was saying, as you talk to them, then you trace back, it makes a lot of sense based on their trauma history. Right. Thank you for your thoughts, my love. Thank you. Shall we answer one more question? Sure. All right. We've got Matty's I need Dalian, Italy, is a psychologist who says she had a client who was very athletic, recalled memories and then had a very difficult time being in her body after is this common? This client found acupuncture helpful, though, muddies is not sure how, or why that helped. So yes, I would say my experience both with my own clients and people I have done consultation with have found that when there's a memory that's recovered, our relationship to our body, like that body material can come up to, and we talked a little bit about this in Marion Kate's episode around some matter form dissociation, right? When there's like a piece of our body that's really involved with the trauma that's holding something. So yeah, our relationship with our body can change when we sort of recover a piece of memory or identity. And that's, that's not uncommon. And with that, I would say it's very individual in terms of what helps when but sometimes, when people are really smart, and they're really athletic, and they're, oh, I'm used to being in my body, and I'm used to being in my head. But something switched and now, like those ways of coping aren't working anymore, or those ways of just being and living and being in the world aren't working anymore. That's when I think some of these more energetic therapies, maybe hypnosis, like we talked about with Wendy Lemke more sort of, quote, unquote, right brain or just different approaches that aren't going so straight to things. I think we go too easily in Western culture, like, let me use my mind or yet, let me use my muscles. But going to something like the subtle body and acupuncture traditional Chinese medicine, that can just be a different angle. So we're not, we're not kind of playing tug of war with the way things already exist or transcending and just addressing the body differently. So I think that's that's my hunch on why that works. But of course, we always want to know, a lot of context and this isn't someone I've ever worked with, but I will just say, yeah, it's common. It's common. So that's our samples of questions. Please keep sending your questions in podcast at how we can heal.com also really want to know what you liked him. out this season the last three seasons what you're looking for in the future. We want to take a moment just to walk down memory lane because Alex has listened to every episode, haven't you Bay? I have the best. Thank you like
Alex Castellanos 15:13
sometimes more than once.
Lisa Danylchuk 15:15
Oh, you're so sweet. I'm always there for the recording. And sometimes I listen after Well, I listen, just to you know, I usually listen once. Ish. Yeah, but not always as much as Alex does. So he's, he's the pro. He's the show Pro. So what stood out to you this season? We talked a lot about dissociation. We had a lot of different folks and other people. You know, you've met? What did you
Alex Castellanos 15:37
like? I thought the first episode was great.
Lisa Danylchuk 15:41
Oh, okay. So it was all me. Yeah.
Alex Castellanos 15:45
And because you had thought about it? Yeah. Thought about it. Oh, it's true. Thought about it.
Lisa Danylchuk 15:51
I mean, the episode I was responding to was in the end of 2020, or 2021. I think I said it in in episode one. I think it was in 2021. And we're in 2023. Right. Yeah. So it's like, we had talked about it again, a full year and we had processed it. Yeah. To the point.
Alex Castellanos 16:09
And to actually hear it. I thought it was great. It was well thought.
Lisa Danylchuk 16:14
Okay, so I articulated my thoughts. Well, because you've heard my process along the way. Like, like crestfallen.
Alex Castellanos 16:20
Yes. Yeah. Why? Yeah. It was like a lot of brainstorming. Yeah. And then to see it together. I was like, wow, I really like it. Good. I'm glad. Yeah. I like everyone. Yeah. The I listened to in season three. I'm looking at the people here. And I'm thinking Bethany, because I met her in New Zealand. Yeah. And the way she explained the association was like, right on. Yeah, it was so detailed, but like, so easy to understand. Yes. Yeah.
Lisa Danylchuk 16:59
Yeah. And that's what I mean, I felt that way about Kathy as well. I feel that way, when I listened to people quote, research, right? When people are pulling, like the stats from the edges feel like it, it gets really clear and organized for a moment. And you feel really grounded in this field that can feel really ungrounded. So that was one of the threads throughout this season. That felt good to me. I mean, even hearing from Meghan, our second episode, and just hearing her personal experience, that's really grounding to me, because we can talk theoretically diagnostically about trauma and dissociation all these ways it shows up, but for her to just walk through her experience of the impact of the Boston Marathon bombing and share the poetry she's created from that 10 years later. It's like, oh, that's another angle on just really understanding what some of this stuff means in the context of someone's life.
Alex Castellanos 17:56
And I was also thinking about Megan, and the time that we spent together with her, and in Boston in Boston. And also during that retreat,
Lisa Danylchuk 18:09
when she came out to California with Milo, he was her sort of her son was not even a year old,
Alex Castellanos 18:15
in keeping up with her through social media with the kids. And then finally, actually, through the book, Understanding the story, like the development of like, what she was going through what happened and because you can't really ask,
Lisa Danylchuk 18:33
right, well, some people do. We would.
Alex Castellanos 18:38
Right? Yeah. But once you understand that, you can't, unless people want to talk about it. Right? And even then, like, you have to be committed to listen and to stay there.
Lisa Danylchuk 18:50
Yeah. Right. And she talked about in that episode, how the poetry came about from writing notes in her phone, you know, late at night, or whenever, throughout the day, when it was too much to share it with a real person, because you would just say one thing, and any human being is gonna go, Oh, that's terrible. And those reactions were too much.
Alex Castellanos 19:13
That's like a, again, when you talk about dissociation is like putting the pieces back together. Yeah.
Lisa Danylchuk 19:19
Yeah. And I said this to Megan, offline. And I believe in our episode in episode two, that it's such a gift for her to share her story in this way, because I feel like there's this voyeuristic part, when there's an event like that the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013. People want to understand they want to help they want to lean in. I mean, some people do. Maybe not everyone but a lot of people right. Walk towards and there's can't even be that voyeuristic. Like, telling me the story. Sometimes it's telling me because I think it'll be healing for you. And sometimes it's just, I can't look away from this and I want to know for for the sake of The news or for the sake of myself, and so I feel like for her to have done the deep healing work that she's done on so many levels, and then put it out in this form, it's this beautiful combination. And I did say this to her during the episodes, this beautiful combination of her genuine healing process and her sharing what she wants to share. And people being able to get a window into something that is really intense that like, hopefully knock on all the wood, like not all of us are gonna go through, but there's a natural curiosity for at the same time of what was that? Like? Right? And so I think that helps, you know, it's a way to connect. And it's also a way to really ground. What are we talking about here? Like, why are we talking about dissociation? And why is it important and who needs to know about it, and when and where and why. And, you know, in circumstances, like what Megan went through, and what all of Boston faced it during that attack. The more people who understand this, the better. Right and, and even in the process of healing, the more we can have self compassion through, especially when it's a long arduous, winding road of healing. And it's not, you know, 10 sessions of an evidence based practice, but it's a it's a journey, and it's a life change. I think it really helps when we we have that context and that compassion. I agree. Anything else that stood out to you this season?
Alex Castellanos 21:28
EMDR. Michael core.
Lisa Danylchuk 21:30
Yeah. He's so succinct. So thorough, yes, and has an amazing vocabulary. I feel like I get education just speaking with him. Like we, we've had so many meetings together, and he'll use a word and I'm like, I gotta bring that one back. Yeah, that's great. I was secretary for ssdd. And he would catch like, my little spelling things. And I'd be like, are at first and then I was like, You know what, thank you. You're making me better? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 21:54
I'd be like, I make so many mistakes. I'm like, You know what, this is learning. This is good.
Alex Castellanos 21:59
Consistent. Yeah.
Lisa Danylchuk 22:00
Yeah. And, and very meticulous, I think, which is important when we're talking about this topic of EMDR, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing therapy. For trauma survivors, particularly people who are experiencing dissociation. I think you need that level of, like discernment and refinement. You can't just like throw it all at the wall and see what happens. As he said in the episode, you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. You've got to be, you gotta be careful with it and skillful with it. And he really is, and I so appreciate that. He's,
Alex Castellanos 22:31
he's a professional. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Through and Through, on and off. Yeah.
Lisa Danylchuk 22:36
You know, one other thing that stood out to me, I loved just, Dr. Gomez. Dr. Jennifer Gomez episode. I've been wanting to have her on the show since season one. And you know, her book is coming out, which is super exciting. And I love that our conversation was so long it turned into episodes. But the second part, which was episode seven, when we really start talking about dream storming, I feel like I live in that space a lot, where I'm like, Well, what do I want this to look like? Right? And I don't I don't know that in professional spaces, or I don't even know what professional spaces are because so much is online these days. But I don't I don't feel like I got a lot of engagement around that. Like sometimes people feel like it's bypassing or it's just like, airy fairy, or it's just trying to create a utopia. But I really loved how grounded her work is, how deep she's gone. I mean, she talked about like, I can't, I can't walk around just trying to prove to people that things like rape are harmful. Like that can't be on my work, like, we've proved that it's done. But to go from there to what would it look like if we didn't have cultural betrayal? What would it look like in the world if that weren't an issue, or if that were healed? If we had moved all the way through that like to see and feel that far forward? I just felt like, lit with passion from from her descriptions of what what dream storming was to her and where she was taking it.
Alex Castellanos 24:00
What if there was no trauma, and no dissociation? But just simply, what if we just understood it? I mean, what if we had like, empathy and just the wisdom that comes with like, being able to connect with someone and understand them, and having them know that you get them? Right, yeah,
Lisa Danylchuk 24:22
that connection? Yeah. And I think that the cool thing about the dream storming is, and this happened in the episode like you can take it as far as you want. Like, you can go wouldn't it be nice if everyone knew about cultural betrayal trauma, which is her theory and what her book is about? And what we talked about in the episodes? Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, that would be nice. Wouldn't it be nice if that if that were healed? Or if that weren't a thing anymore? Like what would it be like if that became like the dinosaurs? Remember when right so the thing I loved about dream storming is, you can take it as far as you want to go. And I think it's, it's helpful to look at those different steps to right because those are part of the journey of healing, I think are kind of like, people say set a goal and then work backwards, right? Like so. You want to buy a house, you know how much the down payment is will you know how much your income is set a goal and put that money aside and just chip away at it and work towards, like these bigger ticket, societal issues? It's kind of a similar way of doing that, right? Like, really looking forward to like, where are we going here, which I think, you know, I've definitely felt the last handful of years, through pandemic, and politics and all these things where it's like, it can be really easy to lose sight of that and just feel like you're just trying to get through the day, or you're just, you know, dealing with so much onslaught of trauma or of challenge or of new developments in the world. And, and it can feel like, Oh, honey, we know where we're going. I'm just gonna go to sleep. And that's fine. Like we have those days. But I do think it's important to have that perspective and the opportunity to step back and go, where do we want it to go, especially when we're talking about these bigger societal issues? Yeah. So on that note, what do you say,
Alex Castellanos 26:10
Marianne? Kate? Yeah. I just love how personable she is. Yeah, how she's like such a relationship person. And she does research she really gets
Lisa Danylchuk 26:22
attachment. Right and how that impacts things. Yeah. As our baby coos in her bassinet right here. If she wakes up well, you're on time to Yeah, do you want to get her? I think she's still sleeping. Yeah. Never wake a sleeping baby. They say I get it now. I get it.
Alex Castellanos 26:40
I mean, it's kind of nice. Leaping booming, sleeping.
Lisa Danylchuk 26:45
It's a whole family affair on this episode. They were just going off. They were just there's a party next door graduation party, they were just hounding away. So they have they've calmed it down for us. We set the vibe we set the tone. So I just want to thank and give a shout out to everyone who was on this season. Megan zippin. Michael coy Bethany brand, Marian Kay, Dr. Gomez. I should I should Doctor everyone evenly that and Dr. Brand, Dr. Kate Dr. Gomez. Kathy Steel's mon Reinders Guy McPherson, Wendy Lemke, we did have a few folks slated for this season that just, you know, scheduling and and things we had to reschedule a little bit later. So hopefully in the future, we'll have Ruth Linnaeus, David Archer and Dana, actually, we have most of those interviews scheduled for the future to record I just don't want to make any promises until they've been recorded, because we gotta get on the same timezone and record them before we produce them and send them to you. So that's a little sneak peek into the future of possibly season four. Those were season three topics. And there's a lot of places I I'd love to go from here in terms of the show, so I'd love to hear from each of you as listeners, what else do you want to learn about trauma and dissociation for sure. But that's not that's not all of it. Right? I also want to explore healing across genres, situations, different circles in the world. One that's become very interesting to me of late is pregnancy, labor and delivery, postpartum care, parenthood motherhood. So I'd love to hear your questions along those lines. And I've had lots of thoughts of bringing my midwife on the show or my postpartum doula or just different people's work that I came across in my own experience of pregnancy. There's a whole world there. And there's a lot of really interesting actually connections to the work that I do that I feel like it rounds out. So I want to articulate that and I want to bring some, bring some of those folks on the show. And then there's also the whole athletics, healing and athletics and sports. Those of you who don't know, I think we talked about it here that Alex and I met running 100 mile race in Auburn, California. And there's actually another 100 mile race ending in Auburn, California really soon, western states. So shout out to all the athletes who Oh, by the time this episode comes out, and have done that race, and are supporting folks doing it, but I've come to know, these really amazing athletes who have different perspectives on being in your body and doing, you know, some pretty intense athletic feats like running 100 miles or, you know, running, hiking, cycling, being in the outdoors. And I think there's a couple angles there. There's sports and athletics can be healing. There's learning from injuries that folks have as athletes and recovering from that and the lessons that come from that that wisdom. And there's also this larger arc of what is healing look like in your sport. We saw a panel
Unknown Speaker 30:03
up at Alcides,
Lisa Danylchuk 30:05
Palisades Tahoe. We saw a panel up at Palisades Tahoe, where it was all these different trail runners and they're just talking about well, what's what is happening in trail running right now is the future of trail running look like what's the culture? Right? How are how are we actively looking to make it more inclusive in terms of race and ethnicity and gender, right. So many of these races have male female entries, and they're working through, you know, non binary or transgender entries. So there's a lot of this like larger evolution in sport that I'm interested in. And I'd love to have some of those folks on the show, also artists and creatives, now that I just finished watching the third season of Ted lasso for the third time. I really loved it Lazo. I know some of you did, too. And so you probably haven't seen it as a show on Apple. Apple TV. That's about sport, right? It's about a football team. Wow, soccer slash football team in the UK. That's coached by a fellow from Kansas to Moscow. But just creating things that move people right I know people like got tattoos with the belief sign or be curious, not judgmental from one of the episodes. And so yeah, that's another thing. I'd love to have a season or an arc around. Just, you know, interviewing some folks who are artists and creatives. I know we had Kyra Willie on the show. Who does yoga music for kids. So that was back in season one. Yeah, let's get the TED last Oh, cast. What do you think? Okay, okay. I'm gonna put that out there. This is before Michelle Obama, Oh, Michelle Obama, she can come she can come before if she wants. Let's schedule her. First we'll talk about leadership and institutional courage. We'll talk about whatever Michelle Obama wants to talk about, honestly, whatever you want. Mrs. President, come on down. Actually, that is interesting, because they're talking politics. And I was talking with Marianne Williamson who said she would come on the show, but that was right before she announced that she was running for president. So she might be a little too busy now. So TBD? We'll see. But I do really want to hear from you. So let me know what you're interested in. Let me know what your questions are. Please keep sending over recommendations for folks who you think would be great on the show. We archive all of those and, you know, continue. I have so many ideas. I really have like a document with lists and lists and lists of names. And so we're just moving through them as we can sustainably because I want to keep this coming to you. So I just want to thank each of you for listening along and for being a part of this journey with me and with us. I'm in like an interesting period just becoming a mother personal and professional change. And oh, here she comes. Oh, here she comes. Okay, this is why you gotta follow on YouTube, y'all. Because you can hear it. Oh, her little noises but you can see it if you're on YouTube. Oh, oh, this is Isabella. Oh, say hi, Isabella. Shalom. You're stretching your yoga. She's very strong. Very strong, strong legs. I knew since I was pregnant with her but I definitely knew as soon as I held her and ever since strong legs strong Armstrong brain strong heart. And I mean, pretty hands are up all I'm not gonna show pony her not gonna you know.
Speaker 3 33:27
But oh my god, all the love just all the love it is the album love to feel all the love.
Lisa Danylchuk 33:33
Yeah, this is our baby Isabella, perhaps you will say some more words in a future podcast. But for now it's just, I don't know. So it's nine a time for most of us. Now, it just wanted to say I'm going to be creating some new things. So keep in touch go on the how we can heal website. That's how we can heal.com and sign up for email updates, just to hear about everything that's happening there. Alright, if you're watching on video now Bumi bear, the big brown dog gums is in the background. Everybody's coming out to say goodbye. This fall, I'm gonna create something that's an experience for anyone who's seeking freedom from trauma, trauma has been a big part of my life and my work. And you know, I think a lot of us want to move beyond it and not just heal and not just recover. But, you know, integrate and transmute and transform. So go ahead and go to how we can heal.com get on my emailing list there. You can also email podcast at how we can heal.com more stuff coming soon. All right. And I really appreciate you and I really appreciate all the love those of you who are on the email list and who have sent lots of love for me and us and Isabella as we've gone into this transition. Just thank you. Thank you. Thank you. sending tons of love right back to each of you. Thanks for being here and thanks for listening to the So, thank you. Any final thoughts? Listening? Final thoughts from the baby girl?
Alex Castellanos 35:08
He look forward to listening.
Speaker 3 35:12
Come to mama. Mama babes. All right, yeah, take care. I'll see you next.
Lisa Danylchuk 35:24
Thanks so much for listening. My hope is that you walk away from these episodes feeling supported, and like you have a place to come to find the hope and inspiration you need to take your next small step forward. For more information and resources, please visit my website how we can heal.com There you'll find tons of helpful resources and the full transcript of each show. You can also click the podcast menu to submit requests for upcoming topics and guests. I look forward to hearing your ideas
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