Today on the How We Can Heal Podcast, Lisa Danylchuk speaks with Brave Thinking Institute Health & Wellbeing Division Founder and TRANSCENDANCE creator, Jennifer Joy Jiménez. The pair come together bonding over their joy of moving the body and overall well-being. Tune in to hear their discussion on tapping into your inner movement, creating your own path towards healing, and Jennifer’s entrepreneurial journey.
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About Jennifer Joy Jiménez:
Jennifer Joy Jiménez is the Founder of the Health & Well-Being Division at Brave Thinking Institute, as well as a highly sought-after speaker, consultant, trainer and coach.
Through her transformational retreats, workshops and cutting-edge Vibrant Healthy Woman Program, Jennifer has coached thousands worldwide to become more confident, healthy, joyful, abundant and full of life, so that they feel fully empowered to make the difference they are here to make in the world.
Jennifer has been featured in publications like Self, Shape, Oxygen and Woman’s World, and on TV on Fox Business, NBC News and more. In addition, she’s shared the stage with thought leaders Marianne Williamson, Maya Angelou, Byron Katie, Bob Proctor, Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra and others.
She's also the creator of the highly acclaimed transformative movement modality TranscenDance™️, helping people of all ages and backgrounds world-wide, move stuck energy, dance their dreams into reality, and truly thrive with joy and vitality in their body temple!
Outline of the episode:
- [00:03:06] Jennifer’s greatest and darkest moment
- [00:16:13] Tapping into your inner movement
- [00:28:06] Creating a healing pathway for injury recovery
- [00:36:42] what led Jennifer to marry personal development, transformational coaching, and conscious dance
- [00:54:42] Our Magical Meat Suit
- [00:56:56] The Love diet
- [01:04:36] What brings Jennifer hope
Resources:
Brave Thinking Institute Health & Wellbeing Division
https://www.bravethinkinginstitute.com/health-wellbeing
Jennifer@BraveThinkingInstitute.com
Cell: (310) 383-8259
TRANSCENDANCE™ - Mind Body Movement Class
Vibrant Healthy Woman Coaching Program
https://www.bravethinkinginstitute.com/health-wellbeing/offer/vhw/register/v
Transcription:
Lisa Danylchuk 0:00
The body and mind and soul are perfectly wired. So if you think about getting chills if you think about your heart racing, if you think about that gut feeling if you think about the hair standing up on your back, like our bodies are literally transmitting, it's not a dead meat suit.
Lisa Danylchuk 0:20
Welcome back to Season Two of the How We Can Heal podcast. I so enjoyed sharing season one with you. And we have some incredible guests coming on for season two. I created this podcast because the hard times seem to just keep on coming these days. These guests and I have committed our lives to healing work, and to fostering health and joy in the world, even as we work through the impacts of trauma and face deep challenges. So let's dive in and let's all keep talking about how we can heal.
Lisa Danylchuk 0:52
Today our guest is Jennifer Joy Jimenez. Jennifer is the founder of the Health and Well-being division at Brave Thinking Institute, as well as a highly sought after speaker, consultant, trainer and coach. Through her transformational retreats, workshops and cutting edge vibrant healthy woman program. Jennifer has coached 1000s worldwide to become more confident, healthy, joyful, abundant and full of life so that they feel fully empowered to make the difference they're here to make in the world. Jennifer has been featured in publications like Shape, Self, Oxygen and women's world and on TV on NBC News, Fox, business and more. In addition, she has shared the stage with thought leaders like Marianne Williamson, Maya Angelou, Byron, Katie, Bob Proctor, Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra, and others. She's also the creator of the highly acclaimed transformative movement modality transcendence, which we'll talk about today. Helping people of all ages and backgrounds worldwide move stuck energy, dance their dreams into reality, and truly thrive with joy and vitality.
Lisa Danylchuk 2:02
Jennifer and I connected in a group of female entrepreneurs committed to thriving in business in life, and I was immediately attracted to her positive energy and generous spirit. She's full of embodied wisdom and cares deeply for those around her. So it is my joy to share her with you today. Let's welcome Jennifer to the show.
Lisa Danylchuk 2:20
Jennifer, welcome to the How We Can Heal Podcast. I'm so happy to have you here.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 2:28
It is. My pleasure. Thank you for having me.
Lisa Danylchuk 2:31
Yes, hi, I'm super excited to talk about all things dance and movement and joy and play and all of the all of the energy I feel like you bring and to share it with listeners here. So I'd love to just start with, I know you have a history of professional dance, right, you've you've moved and danced your whole life. But I'm wondering when it started to feel like it could be a healing modality or an opening or something that's more soul expressive for you. Was there a moment? Was there a time in your life? What was that? Like?
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 3:03
Absolutely, yes, I would say my my favorite moment, which was also one of my darkest moments, and my lightest moments, both if you are somebody that, you know, your greatest moment was also your darkest moment. So when I was in my mid-20s, I was dancing professionally as a modern dancer. And my husband and I got married very young. And I got pregnant in my mid-20s, which was kind of young for you know, a dancer. And but I really was thrilled I knew I wanted to be a mom. And so I really embraced pregnancy and birth with like just full gusto. I wanted to be healthy. I'm a health nut. And I really wanted to have the best pregnancy I could have. And I was influenced in this world of nature. And what if my body just knows how to do this. And I'd really love to have a natural birth. So I read every book I could find. And then I had my mother has a spiritual center and we had doulas and midwives like I walked out of church with like three bags of books that got handed to me, like here, read these, you know, so I approached it very much from everything I could find in the world of science, as well as everything I could find in the world of metaphysics. So I had my ocean wave visualization, I visualized my perfect birth every night, like religiously, for, you know, probably eight months because it took about a month to get there. Right. And I did prenatal yoga, and I did. At the time it was Bradley The Bradley method was like the big thing back then. My daughter's 22 just to put things into perspective, so 20 years ago, anyhow, long story short, you might know where this is headed, but I did not have the beautiful, you know, experience that I had visualized every night to ocean waves. It was quite traumatic. At least it was 50 hours.
Lisa Danylchuk 5:03
Oh. Oh.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 5:06
It was 50 hours, 48 of them were natural. And towards the end, I had the sweetest doctor who like knew she was like, I know, you told me not to say anything. I'm not going to say anything, but we're like, there is a limit. Like your body will like poop out here. And the baby starting to show a little bit of signs of distress. So we're coming to the end of like, something's gonna have to give pretty soon, and will either be your body and then it'll be you know, like a C section, which would be like the last resort. And I know what you don't want. And so you know, your body just might need a little bit of help just to kind of fully dilate because I just wasn't dilating. We realized after she came out, my daughter was turned upside down. So she was sunny side up. So it was all that back labor that I didn't realize I was having anyway. So it was it was you know. It was, it was what God gave me to help me recognize that there were there was some missing pieces in the mind body connection. And so I had an epidural, which I just felt like such a failure. You know, at that point in my life, I feel differently. Now. I think there's many right paths to birth, don't feel the same way. But I was very attached and very resistant and very judgmental about it all back then. And anyways, but I had this like incredible daughter, I did push her out. We didn't have a C section. I had this amazing daughter in my hands. But this big huge question mark in my mind, like what the hell just happened? Why? You know, because I felt like I did it. All right. I mean, I'm in the best shape of my life. I ate everything to a tee. I did everything my metaphysical books and spiritual coaches and the mind body people said to do and it didn't work. So am I broken? Or is it. And like, I remember going to lunch. You'll get a kick out of the story with like these other moms. And this one woman, and you know, people say things and they just don't know what they're saying, you know. She's like, well, you know, you just have to trust your body. And like, it'll just do it like I had like before our labor and it was like, fine, it was all natural. And I'm not a violent person.
Lisa Danylchuk 7:23
I so appreciate what you're saying, though, because there's so much depth in what you're saying. Because we can think there's something wrong with us when something happens in a way that we don't want or in a way that other people see as well. That's not what happened to me. My experience was super easy. And there's privilege in that, right. Like, if you have the body that pushed out a baby and four hours, like, great. Wonderful. And that's not everyone's experience. The same thing with like, I feel like my biggest privilege is having parents that were like so loving and kind and supportive. And I know a lot of people have that. But a lot of people really don't. Right. And so there's these things that we have, oh, you know, if I were like, Oh, your relationship with your mom's complicated? Well, mine is great. Like, can you imagine, especially as a therapist, if I walked around thinking that like, it's just not we have things that go? Well, sometimes we're intending it, sometimes it just happens sort of magically seeming. And then we have things that we put every effort in, or we're really invested. And they just don't go the way that we visualized. And I think that's a really hard. And I was asking Gabby about this a little bit, too. I think it's a really hard thing with spiritual messaging in particular to work through because we have that thought, I did everything right, like I visualized, and I let go and I intended and I prayed and I nourished myself. And so there's that hiccup of was it me? Like, what did I do? So what did you do with that?
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 8:54
Great question. Yeah, it actually threw me into a bit of a downward spiral. For a bit, I had a really pretty bad case of the baby blues. And it took me a bit but I, you know, I just went within, ultimately. Because I had gone without meaning looking for all the solutions outwardly. And I felt like I had done it all. And so, therefore, okay, God. I'm just gonna go within and I'm just gonna ask for guidance. And I surrendered. And that's really, I think, the first key and I'm going to quote my mom, it's one of my favorite quotes. And she says that the content of our life is the curriculum of our evolution. And I know you believe this, I believe that we're a spiritual being having a human experience. Therefore, every experience, the challenging relationship with our mother, the 50 our birth, you know, the food addiction or the the trauma. The worst thing that happens when it's not, you know, it's one of the most challenging things I think about our human side to come to terms with that is my spiritual path that came into my life, to be a teacher. To be a transformational agent to help me become all that I meant to be. And to this day, I'm extremely grateful for that traumatic 50-hour labor because it literally catapulted me into the work that I do today. I got very curious about the mind body connection. Because I felt like in the birth, there was so much resistance and fear in my body that I didn't know was there. And I felt like all of the training I had done was all intellectual training. Even the yoga was an outside in, like. Do this pose. Do that pose, you know. At least the teachers that you know, I didn't have somebody like you, right. To help me invoke body wisdom inside of, of yoga. It was a do this pose, you know. Your body's just going to open versus in birth, your body's going to be telling you what it needs. You want to let your body be your guide. I didn't have a yoga teacher telling me to do the poses, and I hadn't learned yet. I hadn't learned yet how to trust my own body wisdom. I'd say that was the biggest thing that was the resistance was I had learned how to control the body, how to resist my body's urges, how to ignore my hunger prior to get pregnant, I was in starvation mode pretty much as a dancer all the time, you know, to overwork so to override my natural tendencies to rest, rejuvenate and recover. All the disempowering, really abusive behaviors, you know, and have judgmental extreme judgment around my body size and shape all of that. So the birth was this like, wake-up call, and doorway. So I just started to devour everything I could on the mind body connection, on energy healing on energy medicine. And I ultimately through that curiosity and desire was led to conscious dance, beautiful leaders in this field. And I began to study with them and take classes. And this was back in the DVD days where there were DVDs, I ordered DVDs, and, you know, just began to like, just just drink and eat everything that I could find. And, and I also began to just creatively express, you know, I also started to sing i whole I, at the time, I held quite a bit of fear in my voice. And during birth in and in some of these methods, you're not allowed to like make noise, which couldn't be more opposite to how I ultimately learn how to birth naturally. Like, oh, like your throat chakra and your root chakra are so connected that like if you're constricted, here, you're going to be constricted in your pelvis and in your, you know, birth canal. So, anyhow, the good news is over those four years of really diving deep, and I also healed the birth trauma through conscious dance, like I can't even remember, as if it was yesterday being on the dance floor and just like, actually re reliving some of the birth trauma and just sobbing it and just feeling as if it was really literally like, like draining out of my body into the earth. It was amazing. And I was like, Oh my gosh, you know, this is my experience. Wow, what if I could help others, you know. And that during that time is when I just started to people would come and ask me like, I can tell something's going on. What are you doing? Like I want to learn and I just It started it just birthed through me taking these two worlds, the science the metaphysics and the mind body and just began to merge them together into my own money modality that I now call transcend dance. And I've continued to study all these years, you know, 22 years to first and foremost have it served my own spiritual journey, and journey with my body through all these phases of life. Now, as a 47-year-old woman, it's a lot of different phases, you know, three different babies. I would love to announce that I did have that all natural birth, my son came in two hours, four years later my daughter and third baby came in 90 minutes. Now I wasn't going for fast by the way, you know, at all. I just I was just going for flow. I was just going for, you know what, I'm prepared for 60 hours if it has to be like. I thought that was my like, I that's why it took four years. Maybe because I was like oh man, okay, like I if this is what it's going to take like I'm willing. It's worth it. I don't know how many times it's worth it, but maybe twice, you know. And and by the third day there was like, oh. I think I think I've tapped into a place of absolute surrender of my body wisdom, able to now translate that to everything I do. That's the beauty. So even if you're never gonna have a baby, because there's lots of people who that's not their path, or they haven't yet, or this isn't a story about birth, as much as it as that was just an opportunity to really discover and learn how to trust and how to really listen and how to tap into this deeper knowing but that that sense of I like to call it being in the zone, tapped into for a professional speaker for parenting for entrepreneurship in lovemaking in relation. Like it's across the board like it. This body I'm walking around in, that is a receiving and transmitting station for life is everything. So if I'm controlling it, restricting it, you know, like suppressing its natural wisdom, that's negatively impacting everything, and learn to connect to it, trust it, unleash the natural wisdom within, it's positively impacting everything.
Lisa Danylchuk 16:13
There's so much in what you said, I want to I'm so used to being in like, Zoom meetings with you, I want to click the little fire emoji. Little fire emoji on scrim like yes, yes, yes. Jennifer, there's so much you said. And even back when you said, you know, the going within, after, like, you're doing all the reading all the books, which yes, I mean, I read all the books, too. We read all the books, we are interested in the ideas, but then we're also interested in our own body. And then we also have a moment. And I was even sort of reflecting on this in the recent call that we were in together of like, I think I've just got a. I've been in digesting a lot of stuff. And I think I just gotta like, really let all of that dust settle. And just listen, like just listen to myself and just come from a really centered place, not a place of like picking fruit and gathering it together. But like letting letting it blossom from me. And the other thing you said that is really powerful. And I know this is common in spiritual practices about it be our life being the classroom. I've definitely seen people who are like, you know, there's a little school trauma in there too. And, and the way that I hear them understand it, I just want to share this for folks listening is like, it's kind of the only way though. So whatever you've been through whatever horrific experience or trauma that you know, maybe you look around, you say like no one else has been through this, or I don't know, anybody or one other person. It's still it's our body. It's our life like, and the way that I see it. And working as a trauma therapist is like, well, we could go and interview 100 other people, we could go and read 1000 books. But ultimately, we're going to have to come back to and I'm here to support you and coming back to what's happening in your life, what's happening in your body? And how are we in? Or how are you interacting with it? Right? How can I support you in interacting with that? How can I support you in connecting with something externally or internally that feels supportive? or positive? And ultimately, how did how do you sort of bring back that centrality of, you know what I would just call your spirit or your soul and people identify with that in different ways. But how do we re-centralize you as a being before anything bad happened? And even if you're your traumas, prenatal, what about before that? Right? Like, what about the moment you right? And so I know it's hard for folks, and if there's anyone listening that feels that way, like oh, I just can't get with the the lessons and the schooling and the learning. It's like it. It's the way though, right? And I think when we don't look at how we can learn and work with our lives, then we end up looking outside again and again and again. And then we end up having sometimes those disappointing experiences of like, I keep trying to do the thing that everyone says I should do, and it's not working, I'm following the diet that this person said or I'm doing the moves. And so what I love about the modality you've created is how their structure it's not just like, whatever their structure, intentional structure, but that's meant to guide folks to connect with themselves. It's invitations to connect in a somatic embodied, you know, full body way joyful way even and just to, to move through what maybe is in the way of some of that flow, right to kind of get more aware, you know, so many of us, it's like, Alright, we're gonna dance and and we get like, a little awkward and people are like, well, I need a drink first or whatever, right? It's like, what if you could just feel comfortable? Like, like most kids, you know, you say like, let's dance and they're like, you know, one of my clients recently just sent me a picture of her daughter with all these little cute ponytails, dancing I was like that, that freedom, you know, and I feel like what you're bringing is like an invitation. I want to say back to you, but an invitation to that type of freedom. Right? Yeah. That type of experience in your body in your life.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 20:16
1,000% 1,000% Absolutely, yeah. You're so right, that we get trained out of that uninhibited, freely expressed parts of ourselves again, unless there's some really, really early, you know, trauma. But I mean, I've worked with 1000s of children, many, many, many kids. And it's rare to find a three-year-old, four-year-old, five-year-old in that range, like pre, you know, grade school, right? Where we are often not all schools, but you know, the traditional education system. In the Western world, you know, we need kids to sit still, we need them to stop talking. We need them to pay attention. So we're often told, be quiet, don't talk. You're going to get in trouble. Stop wiggling, Stop daydreaming, we're going to now pour into your brain, right? All the information we think we should know. And now granted, I my hat goes off to teachers. And to the education system, like I'm not here to bash anything. And yet, having now worked with literally 1000s of adults, as well as all ages, what I'm what I notice, right is these kids, these little ones, I don't have to tell them to be free. I don't have to tell them to make noise to breathe, to sing. They haven't yet learned that there's any actual formal dancing, they're just moving their body rhythmically, naturally to the music, they're letting their body just there's a natural like impetus that occurs. And they just move and they're, and there's no right or wrong, they use all the space. They're like bouncing off the walls, right? They roll around, they become an animal. Like, it's amazing, right? And it is so natural, and some people might go Yeah, but that's chaos, you know, and I don't, I don't see chaos. I mean, when I do teach kids, I do give them some basic agreement so that they're not like hurting each other, right, or hurting the environment around. So there is a little bit of a framework, but otherwise, you know, it's, it's really just fun. And so with adults, it very much is this, we're going to tap into this part of us, that still lives in here. And it's right there. Like what I find is all adults need is just a little bit of permission, and some invitation to be nonjudgmental with themselves and others, that there's that all movement levels and ways are accepted, which is another agreement that we have in transcend downs, which means we'll have transcend dancers in bed in a wheelchair, lying on a couch, like it doesn't matter healing from surgery, you know, healing from an injury, dealing with the diagnosis, right? Because it's not about being a fully bodied able nonseptic person at a wedding who's going to dance? No, it's about literally our bodies crave motion, movement, and breath. And music has been a cathartic transformational tool and medicine ever since the beginning of time, you know, and so when we set up these agreements, and we just allow people to really just tap into this inner uninhibited, mover call it you don't even have to say the word dance. I know the word dance can be an you know, like intimidating, you know, for some people, for quite a few people, you'd be surprised, or they've had a traumatic experience. Speaking of trauma, you know, I can't tell you how many coaching clients had some sort of a traumatic experience around their body and around your body moving and being told one thing or another and they just, they put it in the closet or they just put it in the drawer. Okay, it's not safe until later in life when they hit a point where they say, you know, I feel sort of numb or kind of flatlined, you know, and not all of them know that I have this conscious dance modality is this like magic tool in my back pocket. But somehow magically they found their way to the work right. And all of a sudden they find out that conscious dance is one of the ways I help beautiful souls, release the trauma, release the limiting beliefs that they have the judgment, that constriction, the restriction and just begin to it's like turning the light switch back on to that playful, joyful, free, you know, uninhibited, fully creatively express being. And it doesn't happen overnight. I mean, I have seen pretty miraculous transformations in like one session, but you know, a lot of these patterns get installed slowly over time. You know, so you want to give yourself if especially if you're very new, just, you know, just one permission for just like one more degree of expression or fun. And I mean, I've had lots of people just like, burst out into joyful tears, like, oh, my gosh, I forgot. Like, this has been available to available to me all this time, like, Oh, my God, like, I want more of this. It's, it's, it's, it's addicting. Like, it's very, because you get this natural, these natural waves of positive hormones, like the love hormone, and all these beautiful oxytocin and all of this just gets unlocked when you just move your body rhythmically to music. It's so healing, it's so powerful.
Lisa Danylchuk 25:58
Or even when you just let it move like I was just thinking about, you shared something, it was probably on social media, or somewhere where you just like, did a little twirl around the middle of somewhere beautiful recently, yeah.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 26:12
That was in Madrid, actually at the Crystal Cathedral museum.
Lisa Danylchuk 26:18
So that just came to my mind, because I was thinking about someone else that I have known from traveling was in Italy, in Rome, and going into, you know, one of the really expansive spaces and shared a picture and it's a place I've been a number of times, and I love and it's like, I Why don't we as adults, like let ourselves take a spin in those places, like, I just paired those two in my brain while you were talking. Like, I want to go spin around in that space and look through the hole in the roof and like, and not care that there's, you know, however, many tourists or people around looking at the architecture. Like I want to be in this space and feel the space in my body in that way. And I and I just think, like, what if that were normal? Like, what if we went into beautiful spaces and just, like, let ourselves move with them? And you know, not like, doesn't have to be organized flashmob? Because that's really cool. We all love that. But what if, like, what if we just gave ourselves permission to like single-handedly flashmob everyone? And just like, let that energy move, because that's how it feels. To me as I'm thinking about it, it feels like there's this like inspiration and energy that if I were two or five, I probably would just start without even a question or a doubt, or any judgment would probably just start twirling around and people would be like, how cute, right? But then you're like 27 or 37 or 45. And people are like, Why is she twirling around? Maybe they are? Or maybe we just think they are maybe you know, I think most people are probably inspired by it must be more like, that's beautiful. But but somehow we get this message that we shouldn't or we can't.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 28:06
Yeah, well, so interestingly, people didn't even care. Like they didn't even were like, oh, okay, and like, I think my and sometimes, you know, people do care. And they might say something, but I would say this is probably one of the biggest gifts that conscious downs has given me is this is such a strong connection to my creative inner spark of, of expression, and to be around others and not really care about what they're doing or how they're seeing me like completely remove the the opinion, or the judgment of others from my awareness. Not completely, but it's not that I'm not aware that somebody might be watching or judging, or this isn't common. But it's I've neutralized that it doesn't, it doesn't. It's not a part of my decision-making process. Unless I think it's going to be unsafe, like for my physical safety, then it might not obviously do it. But like if we're like, for example, another interesting Spain story, I was there with my daughter and like, I don't know about you, but if there's live drumming in the park, it's like honey to you. And I mean, like being honey, you know, like, I can't not like go up to go any of it. If it's for just a minute, you know, like the I have all these little videos of me. You know, for street there's something about live music that just lights up every cell in my body. And even if I just move for a little bit, I mean even in the grocery store, like my kids are appalled. They're like mom, can you just this time please not dance down the grocery aisle? And I'm like, you guys can be embarrassed but you'll think me when you're when you're older, like I'm gonna dance if I feel it, I'm not going to do it to just do it as an intention seeking thing or just do it to any random song. It's all about when the Spirit sparks when it when that energy and I'm you know, I'm also aware of, of my surroundings, right? But I think it's this, this cultivating this inner confidence, this inner trust, and this just willingness to be I think part of it is a willingness to be uncomfortable in the interest of growth. You know, for me, I very much have felt the call to be a positive embodiment of joy expressed. And so if Spirit calls me to move, unless I'm feeling unsafe for some reason, I'm gonna say, what here now? Okay. Okay, actually, it's gonna feel really good. And I can close my eyes and not, you know, like, worry if somebody's watching. But yeah, it's a really, it's a really amazing experience. And what I will say is, that has, it's one thing to just like, be free to dance down the aisle in the grocery store. It's another thing when my body's symptoms rising, and the doctors are telling me something. And I know in my body wisdom, they're wrong. And having the strength, trusting my inner wisdom to say, You know what, you're wrong. And they're like, no, no, no, I'm not wrong. And I'm going to say, actually, you are. And I'm going to ask to speak to XYZ to affirm a good example is my knee. So long story short, I tore my ACL and didn't realize I had a torn ACL went 10 years without an ACL, not knowing back to the professional dance world, and got invited to perform at 40. After a decade of not having an ACL, not like literally dancing on it hiking on it, like I just didn't know, I have really strong legs. Anyway, so at there came a point where it wasn't painful. I just felt I felt the wobble. I was like, Oh, that's not normal. Anyways, long story short, I had an MRI. My original orthopedic doctor didn't even see that it was missing. Like, just what, you know what I mean, like, right over his head. But I knew I knew, you know, like, I knew something wasn't right. And I wasn't going to take his what the science, the intellectual, whatever his science because it was, I mean, I had other doctors read that exact MRI and properly diagnose me, it took a couple years, actually, of digging and unpacking and finding the right solution, I'd moved in the process to another country Anyways, long story short, I ended up getting properly diagnosed, and then they were laying out the options, right, so there's these different surgeries and different tendons that can be used. And I really am so grateful for all this training. Because I created my perfect healing pathway that did include surgery, it included a very specific tendon that I chose, you know, because my body was guiding me that that was the tendon and how the physician, you know that the doctor, I chose my surgeon, I didn't just take the first one that was handed to me, you know, and then I created this whole protocol healing protocol that it not only included the science of like physical therapy, but energy, medicine, healing, you know, I had Reiki and I did yoga, and I was told I couldn't dance for a year, but I could still do transcend dance, you know, I could still do movement that was safe for my body and my knee as I was recovering. And I know all of that led to not only a full recovery, but I mean, I can do everything that I did before and wanted to do. And, you know, I, I'm aware that I'm 47. And, you know, I, this, this knee has a life that I would really love to be 100 years old and still have my knees, you know, so I don't do crazy things. Because I also don't feel guided to do those things. But that inner wisdom and really having processes modalities. Whether it be meditation. Whether it be trauma, informed yoga, that takes you inward, you know, or a conscious stance that gives you music and gives you a space where you let your shoulder move you. Where you let your hips unwind and unravel and twist and like just release whatever got stored in there unconsciously. You know, like, all of the hours and hours of conscious movement where my I'm really just being with my body. Like when do we just be with our body and listen to the body's wisdom? You know, like that's The practice, it's been one of my greatest spiritual teachers, intellectual teachers like across the board, no question.
Lisa Danylchuk 35:08
And one of the things I'll talk about a lot in trauma-informed yoga is it's much more common to do top-down stuff and yoga like place your hands here and push it like you were saying, there's that outward postural almost performative elements sometimes, right of like, get your body into this position. And it's, it's so healing, too. And I think a lot of yoga starts with that. So that then we can go, oh, now that I'm a little more here in my body, I can listen, right? The family a little more of a tune to it. Now I can kind of go bottom up and go, Oh, my body wants this, my body wants that. But some, you know, there's so much yoga that's out there. But some yoga probably never gets there, to listening to the inside, even though it's yoga. But there's so much potential for that, in a yoga practice, there's so much potential for that and dance. But dance can also get stuck at that. I mean, in my mind, more superficial level of just what does it look like on the outside rather than I think what people are so moved by in performers is when you see it coming up and out from within. And yes, there's training and yes, there's technique. And there's all these hours of practice, and you know, different types of dance have different, you know.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 36:19
Elements, yeah
Lisa Danylchuk 36:20
Elements, different rules, different, you know, some are probably more structured or feel like they set that energy free. Some teachers and choreographers, I'm sure right. But to be able to see that like soul on fire, or coming through a body or a set of bodies on stage. I think that's when there's this intangible element. That even in the performative sense that people gravitate towards,
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 36:42
Absolutely, oh my gosh, so, so, so true. It's what I fell in love with, that led me to want to be a trained, you know, professional dancer. And then, as I began to really dive deeper into conscious dance, I, for about a decade, married the two worlds, right? So I would take my training, you know, as a professional dancer, but then add this element of intuitive performance or spiritual transformants. And I was invited and continued to do some of that, but there was a real decade where it was like spirit led a lot of opportunity to be on stage and just let spirit move through me in a performance manner for like a personal development conference, or a spiritual, you know, church service and dance ministry for quite some time. One of my favorite stories of actually what led me to marry personal development, transformational coaching, and conscious dance together was your story of like, watching somebody on stage reminded me of this, this moment. And I have a friend who's a professional singer, and she sings all over the world. And she over the years would invite me to come and move to her music. And she was invited here in NLA, which is right after I quit my corporate sales job. So I couldn't figure out for quite a while how to make a living, doing what this conscious dance thing was, like, it had been so transformative for me. And I had people wanting me to teach them, but like, just single dance classes, you know, teach a lot of single dance classes, kind of money. So it took me it took a while, you know, struggled to figure out how to be in the business world and, you know, be a thriving entrepreneur. So sales for many, many years was what, put regular food on the table for our family, my husband's also in the arts. And that's a whole nother story. But anyhow, so really, at this interesting moment where I was, you know, just quit my sales job, I'd gone on this retreat with my mom, who's a spiritual teacher, and thought leader, and spirit got a hold of me, it was in Sedona, and I would just had this spiritual awakening, and I heard God say, stop playing small, you know why you're here, you know, what you love. And the message was put in your 30-day notice on Monday, and I had like, no business plan. I mean, like, no idea how I was going to do it, you know, but I was doing my work. But it was like weekends, and it was like, you know, sprinkled here and sprinkled there. And, you know, so I said, yes. And I declared that I was gonna go from a dream. And I had this like, really spiritual transcendental like, experience around that. I went home. I put in my 30-day notice. So about a year later, from that moment, I get this call from my friend, come do like, come do your dance thing to my music for this, this entrepreneurial women's conference that I'm going to be performing at. And I was like sure. So we went and it was this full weekend just for women like business owners, and entrepreneurs who have like online businesses and she had me come up and just move to a couple of her songs. And then two days later, the leader of the conference, like the woman who was teaching, you know all about how to be an online entrepreneur and successful, she was like, okay, so I was watching the video of me speaking, you know, and I literally I, and you would never know, that's the other thing, right? Because she's super successful. She's got this thriving business, she's leading this whole conference, she's a very powerful speaker like you would never know. And she said, I feel awkward in my body, I feel stiff, I feel super judgmental and self-conscious. I literally feel like I have two dead chickens hanging from my shoulders. Oh, those were her words, oh, she's. And she said, and then in this video, I see you get on stage and you're like, you're so graceful. You're embodied. You're so confident. You're just like you just flowed on stage. And she's like, I gotta have some of that, like, I want that. Mostly, I want to feel that way. I want to feel that way in my body. And I know it's going to make a measurable difference in my speaking, which then in turn, will make a measurable difference in my business. And long story short, she asked me to craft a 12-month VIP package for her, like, more money than, like, five figures, you know, I was like what. You know, and I did, and she, she was my first you know, VIP client, and I kind of just put it all together the best, I knew how, and she helped she literally vote from me, she helped me birth, you know, how I do what I do today.
Lisa Danylchuk 41:53
That is so beautiful. And I didn't know that and I love I know, I can just picture you on stage. It's like butter. And she's like, I want that. I want that like that freedom. Right? And it is, it's, it's like an embodied expression of creativity and freedom. And, and flow. That's so beautiful. And so that's where trends that is that where the structure for transcendence came from?
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 42:14
Transcendence came just through teaching individuals and workshops of the movement modality, the 10 stages of transcendence got born just over working with the seniors and the kids. And after my daughter was born, I actually moved home to my mom, where I was where I grew up. My mom had a spiritual center. So I launched a, an arts ministry at the church during those four years. And that's where I had my own healing through mind-body movement. And I began to launch, you know, transcend dance as a modality. And then it just continued from there. And I continued to teach and continue to lead workshops, but really how to take it and really help an individual see a massive transformation came from this first unit, I mean, client, and then I was able to take that and launch a larger business with it. But Nancy, I mean, the cool thing about Nancy was within about six weeks, like we had a few sessions, she came to the house, we did a VIP day, and then her next speaking engagement, she called me afterwards, and she said, Jennifer, we did it like I felt graceful, I felt confident, I felt connected to my arms. And as my heart was an express my hands are an expression of my heart, like and if you watch the video, it's not like you see a massive change. It was much more of an internal, like self-image and relationship to her body that had changed and transformed. It's an inside-out process. And then yes, eventually, you know, the more you are with your body, the more you move the body, the more you inhabit, your body, like energies allowed to flow through all aspects of your body. And of course, that continued along the way. But so yeah, so transcend dance was certainly one of the major ingredients that was used. And it was also where I learned that yes, the full 60-minute practice is I mean, we did that during her VIP day. And she saw amazing breakthroughs during that. But where the real magic was, and she was so busy as a single mom, entrepreneur, she was like, I can't be doing this. Like it can't be hours and hours and hours, Jennifer, you've got to get like put it into like a bite-sized piece for me, so as to take these 10 stages of transcendence and actually isolate pieces of them and go oh, so like the body part dance, the dance itself where you let the different parts of the body move you in five minutes, like boom. Just that I use that. Not every day but almost every single day in And like after this interview, I'm gonna get up and I'm going to do a little bit of like conscious movement where is, you know, like, the body just needs to unwind where the tension is sitting, you know, and just release itself. And it just needs permission to do it, it knows what to do, it's just often we drag the body from point A to point B.
Lisa Danylchuk 45:19
We really drag it around one of my students, longtime student often refers to our bodies as like a meat suit. When we're thinking of it that way, right? You're like, drag my meat suit all around like that, you know. There's life and and she, she does it in sort of a funny way. But, but that's the image that comes to me is like, we're just dragging this meat suit from here to there, rather than like living all this energy and expressing all this creativity through this gift of a body that we have right? Shout out, shout out to Tara. I think it's hilarious when you say meat suit. She's like, where are these beautiful spiritual beating beings, and we've got this meat suit. But I wanted to say something else that that stands out to me. And what you were describing, is, you mentioned safety a number of times, right? Like if I feel safe enough, or people don't feel safe in front of others, that there's this fear of judgment and all those things. And I just think about so many things that have happened in the world or can you know, Denise Duffield Thomas, who's coming on the podcast was saying it's a very newsy time. It's a very newsy time, there's a lot of like, things we hear about that are that create fear, or reactions of fear or tension in us and you know, even in a supermarket or anywhere you are, like people, I think in the States in particular, are like, probably not feeling as safe as they have at other points in time. But when I think of you walking down the supermarket aisle, and maybe it's a song you like, that comes on the radio, or whatever, just dancing, you know, that makes me feel safer. Then hands on the cart gripping, looking straightforward, ignoring people, right? Like that freedom and that embodiment, actually makes me feel safer in an environment. So I feel like when we do this for ourselves, we're also sharing it with other people. Right? And, you know, I remember when I lived in Italy, I used to go running, and people would look at me, like, what is she running from, because I would just go running through town and like, there was a little park in the corner of Bologna, where people would go running, jogging. But like, it wasn't really a thing. But it felt so enlivening for me to just do what my body wanted to do, like, regardless of culture, regardless of and I kind of liked that, like, oh, people are like, what, what's happening here, it kind of stirs things up for a moment. And I feel like that freedom, you don't have to just go sprinting through the supermarket, necessarily. But that freedom to it, it puts us at ease. Like you've said, Kerry Orko, who's coming on the podcast is has also said, this has been in our bones for centuries, like dance and song. And, and when we allow that back in and an everyday way, I feel like that. I mean, it's it's therapeutic, it's healing, it's natural, it's growth oriented it, it puts us at ease, I think at a deep level. And it feels really necessary to me and one of the things I do because I can really get up in my head, especially if like pandemic times, and you're just in your house, I just will start playing music when I'm doing whatever I'm brushing my teeth or I'm in a little moment between something I'll just put, I'll put it on random. And I'll just not think about it, but dance to whatever is on and skip around to whatever feels inspiring in the moment. And that music and dance that's just like coming from my phone, maybe it doesn't have you know, like even that feels like it just breaks up. It breaks up and like you said it lets any of the tension that settle that has settled in start to move and process and so we can we can not get stuck in that we can stay connected to more of a sense of creativity and inspiration.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 49:10
Absolutely. I love that it's such a great reminder that it doesn't have to take a lot and I think one of the safest places you know, and I think I think you know if you think about okay, so where am I going to feel safe to do this. I will say this, I will say this. There are quite a few clients that I work with that it requires them closing the door and closing the blinds and being invited into a safe container where they can just remember you know, and they can begin to tap in to that part of them that is free which is why you know having programs or resources available like your books and your classes or the classes that I offer. Give people a say place to come and begin to just taste and, and be held in that safe environment. And then the little, the little cocoon that's this little like, you know, womb to birth into this new, more free version of you, you can kind of start to spread your wings, I see it, I see it happen, and then they might let the door open, and they might let their spouse see them. I mean, just that can be really, really scary, you know, but then they go, Oh, I can, this is okay. And then they let their kids in maybe, and then all of a sudden, now the kids are wanting to move and dance with them. And now their circle of safety is a little bit bigger, right. And then it just gets a little bigger and a little bigger and a little bigger, until all of a sudden, you know, like you could be at the grocery store, or the farmers market or in Italy, or wherever and just know that you're safe in your own skin. And that for me, I'll just speak my own spiritual words, it's the power of breathing me is going to guide me. So if you know, like, I just trust that inner guidance, you know, and I live from that point of power from within that inner resonance, you know, with that higher higher power. So but it's, you know, it takes time, like I didn't step on to the conscious dance floor the first time and immediately feel safe. I had been really judged in dance, I had been sized up I had been graded, like a letter grade in college from my ballet class, like, what, and I'm like, underweight, and I got a C on my report card, which just blows my mind to this day, you know, like, what kind of a message does that send a 17 year. You know, it took time, it took time to feel that I'm enough, you know, it took time to let my body be all these different sizes and shapes and be loved, you know, and to be visually in front of others, and all these different sizes and shapes and not be like, at what's the word I'm looking for, like, like, like, my guard is up, right? Like, I'm gonna get ridiculed, or I'm gonna get judged or, and it really just to say this, because it's important that that fear that lives within us goes back to tribal times, like if we were judged, and not in line with the tribe and got ostracized or rejected from the tribe, we would die couldn't survive without the tribe. So that's why today we have this deep desire to like be seen and acknowledged and accepted and not stand out too much and not be to this or that and to like fall in line. Because it literally triggers are a survival mechanism, right? And so once you just begin to work with yourself and go, no, no, no, I'm safe. No, actually, I can tap into an inner source of love and acceptance that is, is not required on society, accepted acceptance, or anyone outside of me's love and acceptance. All of a sudden, it's like you cut all the tethers. And it isn't that I don't care if you like me, or, you know, like that your audience receives this? Well, I mean, we all want to be liked and loved. We all want to have a group of friends, we all want to we all that's just an innate human desire. And what I know, though, is when I'm living from my authentic truth, you know, and loving me for who I really am, then now I'm attracting the right people, the right community, and the right opportunities and places that are in alignment with that. And there is I don't go and circles that I don't frequent, because it's just like a different language. Like it's just a different frequency. I don't make them wrong. I'm not judging them. It's just there just isn't resonance there. Right?
Lisa Danylchuk 54:13
Well, and if you don't feel like you, I don't know if it's like you don't feel like you can allow that energy to flow there. But if it doesn't feel safe enough, or like a fit or like, then yeah, it's there's plenty of circles to run in. There's plenty of there's so many options in this life, like, we choose the ones that are best for us, right, and we choose the ones and I think when you have that sense of connection to your body, it's like a quicker signal that you pick up like you can open the door and be like, nope.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 54:42
Glad you said that. Yeah. Well, so that that ties up tees up really perfectly. One of the things I wanted to say in regards to the meet suit right. One of my favorite authors of and godmothers of conscious dance is Gabrielle Roth. And in her book, which was one of my first First books on this subject is called Maps to Ecstasy. And she's the creator of five rhythms. And she talks about this meat suit being this magical suit. Right? So, right, because the body and mind and soul are perfectly wired. So if you think about getting chills, if you think about your heart racing, if you think about that gut feeling, if you think about the hair standing up on your back, like our bodies are literally transmitting, it's not a dead meat suit. And I'm not to, like, I get the funny, like, you know what I mean? Like an explanation of me too. But like, in my experience, once you turn on all the lights, like, it is loud, you know what I mean? Like, somebody will walk by and go, Ooh, yeah, maybe not. Or oh, great vibe, good energy there like you just can sense and feel and know. It helps you in decision-making. It just helps you in every way when everything's turned on, and you can feel it and sense it right.
Lisa Danylchuk 56:06
Now. Tara would 100% agree, who was the person who did? I think she uses it in a magical way too. I don't want to spend it the wrong way to correct me and all the comments, Tara. I've misrepresented you in any way. I just love it when she says meat suit because it's kind of funny.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 56:22
When I hear it's a joke, right? Like we Yeah, absolutely.
Lisa Danylchuk 56:25
It sort of just a perspective shift in the moment because you're like, oh, wait, what? Right? Because sometimes we over-identify with our bodies to or sometimes we forget about the magic of the energy that's running through. Are we Yeah, so I know, we're coming close to time. And I'm curious what you would say to someone who right now is just you know, I think a lot of people are struggling in different ways, kind of communally. Globally, there's there's a lot of trauma processing. There's a lot of healing happening, like what would you say to someone who's just having a rough day having a hard time? Yeah,
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 56:56
the first thing I would recommend, honestly, is a news fast, right? I often won't know about some of the tragedies right away, because I just don't feel guided to spend a lot of time watching the news. So I would just look at how much news are you seeing on television and or on your device. And just give that a pause. Because if something really happens that like you need to know, you will find out like you're gonna know, you know, you can trust that you will know and that in and of itself in my life has transformed like, I don't feel so triggered in my nervous system by watching that all the time number one, right? And then if we're not then ingesting the news, right, then I would put you on a love diet, like what do you love? Do you love music? Do you love animals? Do you love art? Do you love nature, and I would just be feeding you even if it's just 510 minutes a day, a diet of really given yourself permission to do think be in connection to what lights you up and what you
Lisa Danylchuk 58:06
love. I absolutely love that. And I love like, the love diet, like feeding yourself or the like nurturing yourself with exactly what it is you love. And yeah, I mean, I've definitely pruned a lot of my devices so that I don't see a lot of news. Being a trauma therapist in particular, like, I'm like, I've heard enough stories, I hear enough stories. I don't need any more stories. I don't need any more newsy stories, but I do need positive stories. And so I try to prune my devices to show me you know, like good news movement, or watch, watch something funny if I'm going to watch something, you know, either interesting, educational or funny and light-hearted. So I feel like being really conscious about what we're ingesting in our minds, and bodies and souls are so powerful, and we can forget about that we kind of get swept up in what we think is just what everybody's doing or what we should be doing or what's habit. But we can Yeah, we can turn off that news and silence it and reduce the images coming in and look around at the trees instead. Look at beautiful art. There's so many options. Yeah.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 59:12
And, you know, I love that you talked about positive news and laughter something funny, you know, like, you've intentionally brought that into your life. It takes intention, it takes setting an intention, and then actually systematizing it like you've it sounds like you've put things on your device so that they're easy to get to and access. I love that. It's so important. It's so so important. Yeah, and I think we
Lisa Danylchuk 59:39
can really use technology in that way. I even have a chat with a couple friends where I'll have a silly thought and I'll just start sharing it with them and I will bust myself up. I'll just be like, you guys, you can't even like I can't even get the words out because I'm laughing at myself so much. And I'm like Lisa, what are you gonna get a funny message later in the day so
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 59:59
so yeah, Definitely humor is I mean, they've done all sorts of studies on laughter and there's laughter yoga now, right, and all this great stuff. The other thing I would say, just bringing it back as a final, you know, tip around music you mentioned, you know, on your device, just play putting it on random. What's required for that is having a playlist, so I use Shazam. And I have certain, like radio stations that just like every song, almost I'm like, Shazam, Shazam, Shazam, you know, and then I create playlists for myself that are just as soon as that song comes on, you know, we all know that that song that comes on that almost makes you cry when you hear it, or that makes you laugh because you think about, you know, like, when you were 12, you know, or that song was played at a wedding or, you know, music bypasses the intellect and goes straight into the emotional centers of the brain. And the body immediately responds, it doesn't even have a chance to think, right? There's an emotional biological response. So using music as medicine is such an easy, fast, simple way to shift your mood, and then add a little movement to it. It's like you sprinkle in that sparkly magic energy. And, you know, my No, what's a good example of this? Speaking of funny, like, you know, raising kids is not easy. My three are now a little older, I have a 22-year-old, 18-year-old, and 16 year old, but when they were little, if I'd get like, really frustrated or irritated at them because they weren't doing something or they had done something, two things, my middle son would go mom. And he'd like to model my deep breath, right? And I'm like, Just wanna slap. But I would I would breathe with him. And it'd be like, okay, all right, you got me, you got me. Or they would say, Mom, you need to dance mom need to dance. And I'd be like, you know, you're right, I do, I do. Let's just turn on some music. And we would just literally do the dance or release, and shake like a rag doll or like a dog shaking off water. And I would feel like all that tension, anger, stress, frustration, just fell to the earth. And then here's why that matters. Because when I'm in stress, right, and when the cortisol is in my system, and when I'm in my sympathetic nervous system, my ability to tap into really the best positive action or solution is super inhibited. But if I can have a moment where I can literally shake that off, and shift my energy and move into expansive, first of all my hormones are helping, the breath is helping, which literally opens up my creative mind. Now I'm not in fight or flight mode, right? I'm in parasympathetic, which is rest, digest, create. Now I can literally create a more empowered action step solution, whatever it is really, an extremely powerful tool, for sure.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:03:06
I love watching animals do this, and I watch my dogs all the time, how they shake it off, they'll, they'll get on a scent and get really intense. And we'll go this way. And then shake, shake, shake, and then they'll come. It's this transition that happens. I mean, I don't even know how many times a day, it's like hundreds. And you think of how often do we let ourselves just kind of shake something off. I mean, I do it. And especially when I'm in the office in between each session, like, I go drink water, I shake my body, I spray stuff in the air, you know, I move like, and that feels. So even if I'm moving with a client, it still feels like I need to do that in between just for me, right for my, my system. But it's sometimes just a little bit, right? Like you said, you play a song in that moment where you're stressed with your kids. And then they start dancing, and you see that innocence and joy and freedom and then you tap into your own and at least it's a little bit better, right? At least it's not going in that cycle of just more and more tension and disconnection. It's a moment of connection, right? And I think that kind of state in our nervous system is like, where we really thrive because like you said, earlier, we were we've evolved to be connected to each other to be connected to a group. And so I love that image of you just with your younger kids dancing around shaking it off, like okay, we're moving forward. We're moving through that we literally just moved through that. Yeah. Now go clean your room. Exactly. Now it's everything. So last question for you What brings you hope?
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 1:04:36
What brings me hope. Oh, to your point around the positive news, like there's so much good. There really is. I mean, we're, the news has tapped into that fear, you know, and they're feeding us a lot of fear, right, because people are curious itself, right? However, there's, I think way more good in the world have running and we just maybe aren't hearing about it, then there is anything negative truly I believe that that's what gives me hope, you know, is I can I can sense it, I can feel it, you know, knowing people like you, and collaborating and coming together and having these conversations gives me hope. My clients give me hope, seeing their breakthroughs, you know, watching the new generations come, the innovations that are happening like, like, I believe that we will turn this whole climate thing around, there's no question that we are fully equipped with everything required to see this whole world species, human nature evolve. And I'm just really grateful to serve as even the smallest, you know, ray of hope and sunshine, and light and joy in this in this beautiful journey called life.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:05:52
I love it. And I'm so grateful to know you and to be a part of all of the joy that you spread. I love that joy is your middle name because you really embody it. And I think you know that and it's just such a part of of how I receive you and who I feel used to be. So thank you for bringing that here today. I know at some point, you might have some big things coming up in that you'll share with us so maybe you'll come back on the podcast. But is there anything right now? You want to share your website? How can people connect with you and keep up with your work?
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 1:06:23
Absolutely. So I teach worldwide everybody invited to the dance party, all ages, mobility levels, transcend dance class, I do that the first Saturday of every month at 10am Pacific, and the second Wednesday evening of every month around 5pm Pacific. So the next class is the first Saturday in August. Now I know this, this recording will be available beyond that, but you can always go to just be t i.com. Forward slash dance. So the name of our institute is brave thinking Institute. So that's the acronym for brain thinking Institute bti.com, forward slash dance. And if you catch this, I will give you my coupon code, in case they catch it and they want to come to one of those August classes. It's freedom 22 Freedom, freedom. 2222 for next month. Yes. 22.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:07:23
Yeah, we've got it. All right. So the coupon code is freedom 22. And we'll put that in the show notes for everyone. Thank you, Jennifer, for being here and for being who you are, and for letting all that that is flow through your body and mind and spirit and work. I just love having you here. So grateful to be connected with you. And thanks for sharing. Thanks for sharing your love and your joy with us.
Jennifer Joy Jiménez 1:07:44
Thank you such a pleasure. My pleasure. Thanks so much.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:07:49
Thanks so much for listening. My hope is that you walk away from these episodes feeling supported, and like you have a place to come to find the hope and inspiration you need to take your next small step forward. For more information and resources, please visit howwecanheal.com There you'll find tons of helpful resources and the full transcript of each show. Thanks so much for your messages, feedback, and ideas about the podcast. I love hearing from you and I so appreciate your support. There are lots of ways you can support the show and I'm grateful for every little bit of love you share. If you love the show, please leave us a review on Apple, Spotify, Audible, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also subscribe on YouTube to get updates every week. You can always visit howwecanheal.com/podcast to share your thoughts and ideas I love hearing from you. So keep your comments coming. If you'd like to stay connected in between episodes, you can also text me the word HEAL to 888-858-0811. That's 888-858-0811. That number has a lot of eights in it. I'll send you some inspiration and support a few times a month and you can text me back there too. Before we wrap up, I want to be clear that this podcast isn't offering any prescriptions. It's not advice or any kind of diagnosis. Your decisions are in your hands. And we encourage you to consult with any relevant health care professionals you may need to support you through your unique path of healing. I'd also like to send thanks to our guests today to Christine O'Donnell and Celine Baumgartner of Bright Sighted Podcasting, and to everyone who helps support this podcast directly and indirectly. Alex, thanks for taking the dogs out while I record. Last week, I'd love to give a shout-out to my big brother man who passed away in 2002. He wrote this music and it makes my heart so happy to share it with you now.
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