Today on How We Can Heal Podcast, Lisa Danylchuk, and Dui Turner talks about how yoga impacted her life as a woman in the military and her students' life on a bigger picture. As someone in her 40s, who's been in service for 25 years, Dui helps us understand how yoga can be carried through everything, how she champions women's inclusion and leadership, and about her upcoming book that talks about the science, the art, and the you of teaching yoga in the military.
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Yoga in Context
"Yoga is a spectrum," Dui describes. It's a practice that welcomes and loves everyone that joins despite their background and knowledge of yoga. Whether you're in it for the exercise or for the fullness of the spiritual experience, yoga embraces everything in between in order for everyone to fully benefit from the practice, no matter what they aspire to achieve from doing it.
With that being said, this is why trust is critical between a yogi and a student. A yogi is cautious about how they relate to students, and they strive to create safe spaces for everyone in their class. Whether a student is someone completely new to physical wellness or from the military trying to address trauma and stress, a yogi works best knowing that an approach to teaching yoga is not a one size fits all; it adjusts to each individual.
About Dui Turner:
Duilia is an officer in the United States Air Force and a veteran of two major conflicts. She is also the founder of Integrative World, a community focusing on promoting healthy approaches and techniques to support balanced lifestyles. She has studied a variety of healing arts including Tai Chi, Qi Gong, sound therapy, meditation, and Yoga. She has also contributed to various yoga blogs, public talks and Yoga for Veterans trainings.
Dui completed the "Yoga Philosophy Intensive Course" offered by the AC Foundation in Hawaii. She has earned 200-hr and 500-hr Yoga certifications specializing in Yoga for veterans coping with Post-Traumatic Stress (PTS). She is a Transformative Coach, Certified Reiki Master and Health Coach. She is a member of the International Association of Yoga Therapists and the American Association of Drugless Practitioners. She holds a B.S. in Meteorology and a MBA in Global Management.
Outline of the episode:
● [02:06] Yoga pulled me in from Tai-chi
● [06:44] How does yoga fit in the life of a military woman?
● [12:35]Everybody in my generation has lost friends
● [19:56] Yoga is a spectrum, and it embraces everything in between
● [24:56] What is a yoga practice for? For life!
● [33:39] Dui Turner on women's inclusion and leadership
● [42:24] We're in an era of women's firsts'
● [48:25] The practices that Dui relies on every day
● [55:08] Breathing goes with you everywhere
● [01:01:47] A book for yoga teachers in the military setting
Resources:
Website: https://www.integrativeworld.com/
MIND YOUR CLASS, Book by Duilia Mora Turner:
https://www.integrativeworld.com/book-mind-your-class
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/integrative_world/?hl=en
Breaking Barriers Podcast: https://www.audible.com/pd/Podcast/B08K57HG8N
Full Transcript
Dui Turner 0:01
But I think sometimes there's a deficiency in which is very outward. And we forget the inward. And I think yoga and mindfulness meditation practices in spirituality and just prayer. Help us to fill some of that and be more present and grounded.
Lisa Danylchuk 0:23
Hello, and welcome to the How We Can Heal podcast. My name is Lisa Danylchuck and I created this podcast to share deep conversations that encouraged us to move through life's toughest circumstances. Let's get talking about how we can heal. Dui, I'm so excited to have you on the How We Can Heal podcast. Thank you so much for being here today.
Dui Turner 0:49
Thank you. Thank you How exciting. Congratulations, by the way. That's amazing.
Lisa Danylchuk 0:54
Thank you. Thank you. It's been really fun. And I'm really excited to share you with folks because we met in a really special way working on the yoga service Council, yoga with military and veterans project. And I just remember this moment where we were like, Oh, you're super spiritual, too. I didn't think you weren't. Well, I didn't think you were. It was just love it first. Love it for spiritual disclosure. So that was really a sweet moment. I always remember and I don't remember exactly what we were saying. But I remember where we were, we were in that buy that lake at Omega Institute, walking out to where the kayaks are. And I was like, ah I love this person. She's amazing.
Dui Turner 1:37
Oh, thank you. That's such a wonderful memory. Yes.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:41
Yeah. So I'm curious, you know, you do work within the military, you have taught yoga to that population that I would guess two different sorts of subsets of that population over the years. And I'm curious just how you got into both the military and yoga and where those things separate? Or did that happen together?
Dui Turner 2:05
Oh, that's a great question. So yes, they did happen, separate different phases of my life. But they just happen to really merge and coalesce really wonderfully throughout my military career. So I think I was about 10 years already into my military career and had an opportunity to reconnect with ancient practice. That was Tai Chi. So I was doing was practicing Tai Chi that was during I got a scholarship, and I was in college. And it was very stressful. I had to complete a five-year degree in three years because it was a military scholarship. And they had the University of Hawaii, and the Longevity Institute. And I signed up for class. And it turns out to be a Tai Chi class. And I was the youngest, it was a senior citizens class. That was the longevity Institute. I didn't know that. But they adopted me and throughout my, my time during college, which was very intense, I was able to discharge some of that tension and stress through the practice. So when I graduated, I found a place that taught Tai Chi. And interestingly, it taught also yoga. And somehow I naturally gravitated more towards yoga. And really start using that as a practice the balanced kind of the hard edges of my military career, and the in really my personal life, and it was really nice balance and found that there are a lot more similarities between being a yogi and a servicewoman than differences like the discipline, the devotion, loyalty, the aspiration to be part of something greater than oneself. So it wasn't hard to maintain that. And naturally, that became part of my life just as much as being in the military is part of who I am. From thereon.
Lisa Danylchuk 4:02
So how did you get into the military? Was that something that was in your family or around you growing up?
Dui Turner 4:08
Um, other than being a girl scout growing up?
Lisa Danylchuk 4:11
Hahaha me too.
Dui Turner 4:14
Joining the military was interesting because I am, I was born in the United States, but I grew up in Brazil. And when I came back, I was 19 years old, and I had this dream of becoming a documentary producer. So I had to learn English and I was in New York and eventually went to Queens College. And taking some classes that were directed towards humanities and cinema. At the time was really hard for me because I was still very new to the language, the English language. I kind of had to redirect and think okay, what is the next thing that I love that maybe would be easier? And growing up, I was an astronomer. I was really good at math. And so I started taking astronomy classes and math classes. And while I was reading a book about the space program, I learned that a lot of people who serves in the space program or served in the space program were in the military. And across the bus stop, I used to work at a McDonald's. Across the bus stop, there was a recruiting center for the Air Force. And when they had just crossed the street, and I asked them if they had a job in science, I was looking for a little bit more autonomy, and kind of be to be able to, you know, sustain myself. And they did have a job in weather. And I ended up joining the military to be a weather observer and forecaster assistant. And from there, it just my career started a long time ago in 1997. With this hope of working for the space program, and interestingly, the line the stars aligned, and my very first assignment was Cape Canaveral. And I had right off the bat had the opportunity to work with the space program and work on some shuttle missions. It was really lovely, very young to be part of that big program. So.
Lisa Danylchuk 4:16
Yeah, to be a part of something so meaningful. And I didn't realize you had worked with the space program in that way. And that just sounds so fascinating. And your career has evolved to where now you're working more with women, peace, and security. And so what is that trajectory looks like? How did you evolve into this position?
Dui Turner 6:43
Yes, so I came as an enlisted member, which means I didn't have much education at the time. I received a technical education. And then there was an opportunity to become a meteorologist through a scholarship. And that's what I did in Hawaii, and all that stuff told you. And eventually, further, on my career, there's an opportunity called Career Broadening that you can, you know, apply for other jobs. And to me growing up in Brazil, my family's from Colombia, I have a Colombia brother. A Brazilian brother was born in the United States. This career of foreign air officer is a whole different, you know, a new category was very attractive to me. And I applied to that, which is basically being a military diplomat. I was very fortunate to be accepted with the scholarship to the Naval Postgraduate School and became a foreign air officer, I worked all across Latin America and the Caribbean. And then eventually, two and a half years ago, I had the opportunity to transition from that to a new position, which is the Chief of the Women Peace and Security program and was very natural, because it is a military diplomacy type of a job where we're engaging with countries, with partners, militaries and advancing the status of women within our security and defense forces. So it was just never hard, was just very natural and very fulfilling at the time now.
Lisa Danylchuk 8:13
Yeah. So how does yoga fit into your presence in the military or just in your work life in general?
Dui Turner 8:23
It fits everywhere, and it does it in must, is what it keeps. It's what keeps me sane. I think that to an extent. Like, it also helps me to keep the team together and not lose it is very, right now, the tempo was very high. We have a congressional funding report. There's the attention you know, if you follow the news, there's attention globally, for the integration of women and other, you know, minorities as well. But we focus predominantly on women, peace, and security. So the demand is very high, the tempo is very high and, and being the mother as well, and the wife traveling a lot. I think yoga is what I can always carry with me and keep me grounded. You know, it keeps me grounded as a mom as a wife, and definitely as a military officer. So I mean, even I think that even part of what I must, what I do, it must because it keeps me centered. And I can read this anywhere, that I go in the world, and it's always with me so.
Lisa Danylchuk 9:28
So it keeps you centered. And then how have you offered yoga because I know you're a yoga teacher. You've shared it with people in a lot of ways. I've seen events you've put on, what is that look like? What is, who are you offering it to within the military or outside? Are there sort of specialized groups or classes that you're that you have offered or you're continuing to offer?
Dui Turner 9:53
Yes, so at one point, I was supposed to go to Korea and I was really into yoga at that time. And when I went to Korea to the area I was in, I learned that there were no yoga studios. So I figured, well, maybe I can become a yoga teacher. So I became a yoga teacher. And I was teaching and I was not relating this as much to the military. I kind of saw this as my love, like just being able to use that and kind of separate my life a little bit. Until I went to advanced yoga training, and we had to write a thesis. And we had to work on a big project. And I wanted to write something about lifestyle and integrative leaving something really light. And then one of my classmates, we had to talk about our subject of research. And one of my classmates, I don't know, Dui you're in the military. You must write about yoga for the healing of post-traumatic stress. And I was I was like, oh, what a heavy topic. No way, I don't want to do that. I left that discussion with that kind of like, in my shoulders, like, I couldn't take it off. And I kept thinking, if I don't do it, who can do it right, like, I'm the only person that I've right now. And now there are a lot, there are many more. But at the time I was the only person I knew that was really into yoga, really into the military. And it almost became this mission that I had to accomplish. And so I started researching. And for a whole year, I was that was more or less about the time that we met, going to different going to different conferences, learning from experts writing, and had the opportunity to work and serve as a volunteering coach to the Air Force when the word camp at the time that's what it was called, really develop this affinity in this natural kind of connection with my brothers and sisters in the military with the practice saw amazing testimonies of healing like in front of my eyes, and you know, I love this, your podcast How We Can Heal and, and really show me how we can heal from some very difficult times. You know, trauma, not only heal but sometimes accept and move on in that condition like acceptance healing community. So all that was it really, as much as I was reluctant at first. Now is really a natural part of what I do. It's what I specialize in. It's what I like to talk about and really kind of serve in that way when I'm not in uniform.
Lisa Danylchuk 12:33
Yeah. So we talked about this a lot when we were working on the book together, but maybe just a few things are top of mind now. How do you see yoga specifically helping the people you're serving? And I know, you know, from our conversations that obviously not everyone in the military has PTSD, not everyone is going into combat, right. And there's maybe different angles of how yoga might help a family member versus a military sexual assault survivor versus a meteorologist. Right? So what are maybe some themes you see in terms of how yoga supports or helps that healing process, that acceptance that that well-being for people within the military?
Dui Turner 13:18
Thank you. And I appreciate you highlighting by the way that not everybody in the military copes with post-traumatic stress. That's true. And that must be highlighted. And in while this is true, is also true that everyone in the military copes in endures high stress. That's what you know, we were trained for we are for good or for bad in the business of managing hard power, aggression. So for us, it's important to be able to endure so the basic training that we go and all this equip us to endure that, but I think sometimes there's a deficiency in which is very outward and we forget the inward. And I think yoga and mindfulness meditation practices in spirituality and in, you know, just prayer, help us to feel some of that and be more present and grounded. We do deal with loss quite frequently, I have lost personal friends, almost everybody that I know has served in my generation, and we have lost friends. So being able to cope with that and to surrender to an extent and to can't leave that burden. I think mindfulness in yoga can help us with that one, perhaps you know, at a very minimum, it helps us with maintaining the physical, you know, the physical health that we need, if nothing else will help you to be more supple and flexible and run better and do better push-ups and, and then you start moving on to the spectrum of how it sustains us. I mean, even like with a lot of us, we all have was really we should weapons and, and this ground has been able to mindfully stay there can actually even help us to be better shooters not only that but to be able to discern what is a real threat and what is not. And all of this being present is extremely important because what we do seriously. What we do can be fatal, and we need to be present. And then moving even further on, as we deal with the stress, having a disability to just be in the moment and take one breath or stand before an audience and ground your feet and roll your shoulders back and, you know, exude, this confidence can be helpful. And even further in the spectrum. If and when we deal with adversity in laws in situations, they're not the most optimum. Perhaps, we can return to a state of no more like a ground this when we're taking off our axis, by using some of our techniques, right? Some of the breathing. Some of the postures. Some of them just really quieting the mind. I think that can be very helpful in the midst of chaos to find or look for this centering.
Lisa Danylchuk 16:14
There's so many thoughts I have as you're talking and one of them is, you know, when we talk about yoga, there's the Yamas, and then Yamas. And there's an Ahimsa nonviolence. And so how does someone like you. I know you're so loving and amazing. And then there's this energy of the military that's like protective, too, and fierce. And so I'm wondering how you personally, if you're willing to share, reconcile with, like, holding a weapon and or right. Because I know, I know, a lot of like, my personal, well, I have a lot of yoga therapy friends and some of them. All kinds of different thoughts and opinions and backgrounds and cultures. But I'm just curious for you. Personally, does that ever come up? Like, oh, I'm in this fierce protective position where there are weapons, and at the same time, like, from what I know of your like, peaceful, loving hugs, like, does that ever feel like a conflict for you? Or do you feel like it's just, you flow with it?
Dui Turner 17:17
Well, I think there's an acknowledgment that, you know, let's be realistic, like, this is part of what we do, right? And it's no joke. But at the same time, I think earlier on I refer to this idea of doing something greater than oneself. And the definition for each individual is unique, and we respect that, right? But you know, I am not holding a weapon thinking, oh, here, I am going to be lethal. And I can't wait to shoot someone. I'm looking more from the perspective that I love the United States. I love our democratic values. I love our nation. I love what we stand for in front of the world, maybe not perfectly, but we do our democratic values. The idea that there is equality in front of the law, that everyone deserves an opportunity, right? It's not a perfect country. It's not a perfect world. You know, in this ideal is where I have no second thoughts about if I were called upon to defend my family, our nation, our shared values. Then this is something I'm willing to do because I believe in it. And I think that is really personal. I mean, I totally respect someone who's like completely nonviolent. You know, let's resolve every, you know, issue every complex issue in a diplomatic manner. And I think, as a person, as an individual, I hope that this is true. But I'm also a realist, it's just my nature and understanding that, you know, we're not going to solve every issue in that way. And then how do we deal with that? And in also in growing with other countries, I know what it's like to see poverty right on your face like children abandoned. I mean, not that we don't have the United States, but really adult-like a gross number, like right in front of you. So I appreciate what we have here. And I, yeah, and I cherish that and it's my way, my personal way of looking at it. I don't really have a conflict of interest to me is my way of serving the world or greater dimension and I'm just glad that I found yoga mindfulness and other practices to allow me to be as centered as I can in the practice in the work that I do.
Lisa Danylchuk 19:32
You know, and I can hear in your description how it's really about standing for something, right? I think a lot of times when we think about weapons or violence, it's like, we think of oppressive cycles and things like that. But what I hear and what you're saying is really standing up for the values of equality and in service of your family and people around you. It's really beautiful. One of the other things you said stood out to me just because I remember having a conversation about this at Omega. You use the word surrender. And I remember people being like, well think about the word surrender in a military context. That might be harder for someone who's, you know, served in the military to say, oh, I'm going to surrender. Do you have any thoughts on that at this stage? I mean, it's been years since that conversation.
Dui Turner 20:18
Yes, I think, you know, as new people come into the practice of yoga and mindfulness, right? And we're trying to do some measures like then limit that to a group that is within the military. I do, I do think we need to be cautious on how we relate. And not only that, I mean, there's so many different people I have the other day, someone said, well, I am a devout Christian, I cannot practice yoga. You know, so and then if you're trying to introduce someone who is curious. One that's Christian and is trying to learn a little bit more Yoga, you know, you might want to create a little bit of a distance from a spiritual practice, right? And then start talking about Shiva and the incense. Because I think that in the spectrum of yoga-mindfulness. It's really so wide and welcoming. Right again, like it can be for someone that wants to be more supple and has a back problem, sciatic nerve, and all good, and wants to address that, all the way to someone who really wants to, you know, have a deeper practice understanding under spiritual level. And anything in between, we should respect and love and welcome. That's part of being a good yogi, I suppose, is being empathetic and accepting of how it is. So let's go back to working with the military. Yes, I think is important to as we introduce, I think, as we grow into practice, we need we don't need to be as you know, cautious. But as we are introducing the practice, how we introduce is important. So yes, surrendering is probably not something we want to do, or not giving the space for choice. Now, what I want you to do is to move your rifle towards the front of the mat. So it's more inviting is important. So that the veteran or the military person feels in control a little bit of that practice, right? I think it can serve many other different communities. But you know, if you're ready, if you like, let's bring the rifle towards the front of the mat is very invitational is neutral. The language is it's it has a sense of cautiousness, not only for the military, but again, different populations. That I think a good teacher would recognize that and would study and really try to offer a safe space, a welcoming space that nobody feels intimidated, or that is not welcome, really.
Lisa Danylchuk 22:42
Yeah, and what I hear in that, too, is being responsive to the community that's in front of you. So if you know there's a word that might have a dual context for that population, being sensitive to that, and being aware of that, especially someone who just dropping into a yoga class for the first time, and maybe they're a little bit tense or under a ton of stress, or even experiencing PTSD. And if you say things a certain way, right, it could, it could be more inviting for them, it could be less, it could turn them on, turn them off. And obviously, we can't control that, ultimately, but we can try to be informed and relational and really consider who is this person? Who are these people in front of me? What do I know about their background, or their culture or their experiences, their assumptions? And can I just communicate within the context of that, so it just sounds really relational to me.
Dui Turner 23:28
And some of it is by experience in some of us by education. I do think every yoga teacher ought to be really as educated. Education is important. To keep reading. To keep practicing. But then there's also trial and error and being empathetic of oneself and others, you know. I have made mistakes. I was offering a class in a shelter for women who had coped with, you know, have been faced with domestic violence. And in this moment, I felt very loving. And one of the ladies approached me and she talked to me. She said something that really touched me and I said, can I give you a hug? And she said you can't.
Lisa Danylchuk 24:14
She said, No.
Dui Turner 24:14
She said no, because you know it and like, and, and really like I should know better. We're there and maybe not everybody, you know, in a place where people have been exposed to domestic violence. So maybe, to start this, you know, can be something that is invasive, and I didn't know any better. So I think we have to be cautious and educated, of you know, things that can possibly happen. And then recover for that and say I'm sorry. You know, have something that you can, you know, not break the trust because trust is very important between the teacher and the student. Regardless of the setting and regardless of the community. And then there's also, you know, through trials of like funny things, like when I was teaching yoga, at the Pentagon, I had a big class that I would teach two times a week and have all these different people, different ages. I would have someone who actually had a, like an MPT pregnant, all in the same class was at all levels. And you mentioned at the Pentagon it's 27,000 people. it was really a diverse class.
Lisa Danylchuk 25:16
Oh, wow yeah.
Dui Turner 25:17
Yes. And I remember one time, I kept saying, well, and if you do, this is very good for your practice. And this is great for your practice and practice, practice, meaning the yoga practice. So at the end of class, one of the guys, who was there a military guy. He comes up to me and was like, Dui, thank you so much. That was great. But so I just want to be clear, what are we practicing for? Because that's the military, right? We're practicing towards an objective. And but I just kept saying, yoga practice, this is great. So he wanted to know, well, what were we practicing for? I just thought that was hilarious. And from there so many other things that, you know, we learn only through trial and error, and a lot of victories along the way, too. So it's interesting.
Lisa Danylchuk 26:03
And having fresh ears on what you say, right? Like, you've probably said that for years before. And then someone comes along, and maybe someone had thought it before in a class. But then someone comes along and says, wait a minute, what, what are we practicing for? I think that's such a brilliant question. And it speaks to, you know, the culture and the ears that are listening to you. And it also I mean, my I'm wondering what you said, I feel like my answer would be like life. We're practicing for life.
Dui Turner 26:27
The answer for but I do, like, I remember that moment like it just like it was so off guard. It was such a good question, too. I think we got a good laugh out of it. And now to this day, we're good friends. Yeah, but yes, it was really interesting to see how we start with one small class, and people just really are drawn to it. Especially, if you deliver in a way that's not intimidating that is welcoming. So we went from having 10 students, I think, at the end, when I was about to leave the Pentagon, we have like sometimes 50 people that were staying afterward. And I think it really speaks to the need that we have on expanding the practice of welcoming because inevitably, people will come in one way after a hard day, you know, the amount of stress you can imagine at the Pentagon, and then you just leave it. You leave it. And you know, in your more, maybe takes away, quote-unquote, an hour of your day, but then you're so much more present and in really fresh for life after a good practice that, you know, the numbers by themselves.
Lisa Danylchuk 27:39
It's a valuable transition time, right? I mean, I know even with the pandemic, and people not having a commute. They're like, wait, how do I transition from work to home? And driving isn't the most soothing or comforting thing. I mean, for some people like it more than others. And if you're not in traffic, it's generally a little bit better. But something like a yoga practice something where you can move and breathe and move through kind of digest what you've been going through throughout the day, release some of that tension or stress, even energize yourself a little, if you've been feeling like you're flagging, right. That's like such a great pivot point. And I know I always think of the practice, and you know, when we feel like we don't have time, that's usually when we need it the most. But it's like gives time back to you. Right? Or it gives a give so much back to you that it's worth that investment of the time.
Dui Turner 28:28
Yes, absolutely. It doesn't have to be an hour either. I don't know. Like, I think we're talking four hours a day, you know, an hour here an hour there. But I mean, most days, I practice much less than an hour. And I think really, the practice can be just focusing on your breath for a few minutes to five minutes, 20 minutes, whatever you can, you know, focus on as long as present and you really devoting that time. I don't know. I would love to one day do a little research. And so what is the minimal viable time for practice?
Lisa Danylchuk 29:00
Right? Three minutes? But it is I mean, to the response, like it's practice for life. I just feel like the longer I've been a yoga practitioner, the more everything feels like yoga, right? Like, the more it's like, okay, and I'm grounding myself here. And I'm aware of how my body's feeling there. And I'm going to move in a little bit this way. And I'm going to notice the thought and I'm going to flip that thought and I'm going to notice something that feels aggressive and see where I can find a sense of ease, like all the philosophy starts folding in, and then it's like, at a certain point, there's times where I'm like, oh, yeah, like I don't even really need to do Asana. And then I'm like, well, I do. My body starts calling for something.
Dui Turner 29:44
Yes, it becomes part of everything. And then like now as a mother, it's so cute to see, like, I do teach it to my children, especially like mindfulness, like take a deep breath. You know, let's think about it and I have like them like when they go all grounded, we call it Castigo, which is in Spanish, you know being like rounded I suppose. And, and I say look outside the window, look at the trees and think about what you have done. And then I come back and then the taking breaths and you're like, come home now mom. So to me, I think those are, you know, for good or for bad, not a great army, not a perfect parent, for sure. But, you know, in instilling in them, these techniques that you can self regulate, even though they're a little how they go from terrible tantrum to just being there with them. Like today was one of those days, like, you know, being there, there's a meltdown, meltdown, meltdown, and then eventually they calm down. And they know, they're like, Mommy, I'm calm. Now. I'm like, Okay, so let's talk about. Yeah, I think that's wonderful that they will grow with a little bit of that in them.
Lisa Danylchuk 30:51
And that they have that language. And even, you know, I had wanted to say earlier, when you mentioned the going in for the hug to where it's like, just being able to ask that like that. I feel like there's so much in the approach too, so just being able to offer breaths to your kids to have that language of calm or whatever other words you use, whether it's tense or angry or frustrated, right? Like when we have language and we can use that in those exchanges. Like, can I give you a hug? No. Oh, well, that just averted a whole, you know, potentially really upsetting experience or awkward or whatever else. And the same thing with a child that's having a tantrum. It's like, okay, well, you have if you've had some of these conversations, and you've modeled some of these different ways of, of communicating and also normalizing, like, it's okay to say no to a hug. It's okay to get upset. This is what we do. We take a few deep breaths. We, you know, blow out the birthday candles or blow bubbles or whatever, you know. A little analogy works to, to engage. Then they're like, oh, okay, I'm calm now, Mommy. Right? And it's so beautiful that they can communicate that to you. I'm wondering if there's anything you find yourself repeating a lot when you're teaching and that that might be in a yoga class? Or this might even be with your kids? Were you just like, going back to basics? It sounds like grounding. Did you say, Castillo?
Dui Turner 32:12
Castigo. Yes. Yes. I mean, such a horrible punishment, punishment, so to speak, is a little softer. And you know, we just use them. Castigo. Castigo, yes go. Castigo. Go breathe in your room and look at the trees.
Lisa Danylchuk 32:29
Breath in your room and look at the trees. That's the punishment.
Dui Turner 32:33
But you know, and also, like, I think it's funny as a parent interesting actually seeing, you know, that evolution of emotions. but we're not too different as adults. Right. And, and, yeah, I think the thing with the practice to comes this level of empathy. It's okay to feel angry, it's okay to feel mad, sad, and allowing it to, you know, to express itself in a way that's healthy. And then and then not stay stuck. I think, you know, earlier on, you're asking me, what are some of the benefits for the military, and I think that is having this awareness is okay, to not feel okay. But there are also ways that we can move on from that territory, and then, you know, adjust course. Adjust quarter just and then come back to our axis. And I think that those are, those are tools that really help anyone, but again, in particular, people who work in high stress, you know, how high exposure high-stress jobs, it's, it can be very valuable.
Lisa Danylchuk 33:37
Yeah, absolutely. And you've been working more with women lately and supporting women stepping into positions of power. What called you to that? And what does that work look like?
Dui Turner 33:50
lYes, so I'm working with the women's leadership, inclusion, and meaningful participation. That has been really lovely in a way that I guess now I'm in my 40s and transitioning out of the military. So I've been through a little bit 25 years, in a mostly male-dominated. I am fortunate that I've done well. Despite of being Latina. Being a woman. Being you know. In looking back, I think that there are things I can share. So I gravitate towards this in almost in a way of mentorship. And in trying to evolve the status of women in a positive way. I like to say it's not a revolution. It's an evolution that doesn't have to take forever but is, you know, one step at a time. So now in this new job that I have two and a half years, where the focus is the meaningful integration of women in defense and security has been extremely fulfilling. Because we can see shifts happening not only for the women that feel empowered, but also for the men that now recognize that, you know, women are valuable in all sectors of society, but that we have something big to contribute strategically, operationally, to defense and security. And also to find the lots of brothers that thought that all along, and that they, they're with us and they have been with us. So it's really I think, at the end of the day is very fulfilling, because it is about human capital, right? This idea of equality me how who can deny that this is something that's really important to all of us. So being part of this engine that's trying to do this positive work is very fulfilling for me. And something that I hope as I transition or the military can continue to do.
Lisa Danylchuk 35:44
Now, they're making me think, too about, I've been involved with the UN through a nonprofit that I've volunteered with for years. And there's the Commission on the Status of Women. And there's often these gatherings where people are talking about, you know, exactly what you're talking about. Well, how do we have meaningful inclusion and conversations? How do we, you know, build something together that feels more equitable? That feels, you know, ideally positive for everyone involved, and people are always looking for those win-win situations, but they're also really advocating for places, and especially because it's the UN and its global places in the world where there's not access to education, or there's, you know, real atrocities happening. So I'm wondering if there are any challenges that stand out to you, from your perspective, and I know, you can't speak so much to things that are within your role. But what are some of maybe the general challenges and places where you see movement happening, and you're feeling some hope?
Dui Turner 36:39
Well, I think challenges obviously, clearly is some cultural changes that we need to see where one point, you know, we define the role of women and being traditional, and you know, the wife or the spouse or the secretary or, you know, those types of things, which still be okay. I have actually been and I am a lot of those roles mom, life secretary, you know, Chef. But at the same time, too that talent does not have gender. And that when given the opportunity, men and women can blossom to the maximum. And then I think this is probably what gravitates so much as the human potential is the human potential and, and then you can take someone regardless of background, regardless of country, I mean, regardless of gender. And given that chance, that person can blossom to be a real contributor to society, a real game-changer. So that, I think, is the spirit of, you know, seeing the development of a human being to its maximum potential for what creation for good or for bad has that, you know, it's just very attractive to me, and it's very empowering too. So one, you know, some of the challenges is, is like culture often is a problem, old definitions of roles, you know, this, like, close lenses of what women and men should be doing. Because my husband, he is just engaged in the household as I am very fortunate. He's like super engaged with the children. The dishes are like a no-brainer. I mean, we don't have any of that stuff that, you know, guys don't do that. I mean, he, he does everything. So it's nice that there's this equal field, and he likes it, too. He loves being a dad. So why not? Why would we center him and the guy who needs to be hunting all the time, and you know, not with us? So fortunate in that way. So there's this the cultural thing, but there's also a thing, a little bit of us. And I need to be honest, you know, I think that women, sometimes we subscribe to that, too. I have that too. Like when I was pregnant in the military. It's really weird to be a military person and pregnant because you're wearing camouflage, and pregnant women and camouflage really does not match.
Lisa Danylchuk 39:03
Oh wow, yeah.
Dui Turner 39:05
You're just second-guessing your identity of being this warrior, this military woman for a long time and now I have this in my case, I had to at this point in my belly. So it's an identity crisis in a way. And I honestly thought that once I became a mom because after you have the babies, moms know that. You just don't have babies and there we go, like you have appointments, endless amounts of appointments. And then I had premature babies. Then you have like even more. So I really thought, okay, at this point, my career is over because I am dedicating so much time to being pregnant. And then I had a difficult pregnancy, so I was on bed rest. And then after that with the boys. Long story short, I sort of ruled myself out of military promotion. I really, that was it. I was for so many months and took a man, actually a man, who recognize the contributions I had done and what I could still do for the military. Who gave me it. This person, he gave me a really good evaluation that set me up to the next promotion. Which, by the way, I had to catch up on some education that I had to finish to check the mark for being promoted, that I had already given up on like a give up on myself, and I was transitioning to this different definition of myself. So I think there's, you know, the outer world that's telling us, oh, you this, you that, but there's also the inner world that sometimes we cannot self-defeat. And that's a lesson personally, I don't think everyone was subscribed to that. But that was my experience. And I have seen in other women that, you know, for one reason or another, we don't take the seat at the table, right? We come in, and there's a bunch of guys at the table and you just take the second roll. Or do you have an opinion, and you're not necessarily voicing it. Or you're afraid of coming too aggressive because you don't want to be that lady who is you know. So it's a balance of growing outwardly, and posturing ourselves in a way in the world that recognizes our potential, and is also the world looking at us and saying, here's someone a human being, that's amazing and should blossom.
Lisa Danylchuk 41:12
yeah, and I think it takes working through some of the like, internalization of maybe how things have been, or some of those older roles, or those cultural beliefs that you were talking about. So what I hear when you're talking about, you know, stepping up to sit in the front row, or to ask something in a way that you're afraid how it's gonna be received, like, I hear a lot of like breaking through some of those cultural norms or expectations or judgments. And that's a lot easier said than done, right? Because we don't always and that's where I think yoga and mindfulness come in to, because we don't always know we think those things until we look at our own behavior. Right? Are you probably weren't thinking, especially when you're, you know, busy raising premature twins. You're not thinking, oh, this is an internalized thing, or this is systemic, right? You're just going okay, well, I don't have time for that anymore. So I guess this is more important. And it takes like, sometimes someone else saying, No, I see you, I see what you got, come on back to the table. So it is that kind of group effort in that way too. Right. Like we acknowledge and support each other to come back to the table.
Dui Turner 42:25
I love what you just said the breaking barriers because it's true. Like right now, I think we're in a really wonderful phase where we see lots of breaking barriers, and we'll continue to see right, the first woman does the first woman that the first first first. And ultimately, our goal is that you know, 100 is no longer a big deal. And you know, women don't have to be shattering these glass ceilings and having this supportive man that helps us throughout and vice versa, too. But, you know, I think this breaking like, like now is an exciting time that we see the first the second. I just came back from Latin America. And we hear that all the time, the first Minister of Defense, the first Chief of Defense, the first Captain, the first General, the first verse first. We're in this era of firsts. And I was really exciting to think that soon enough, it will matter as much because our status has been normalized. Right. And that's what I hope for a look forward. Hopefully, it's still my lifetime that we normalize a little bit more.
Lisa Danylchuk 43:29
1400 and 52nd woman to
Dui Turner 43:33
Yeah, congratulations, good for you. And it's just like, a fact of life. And then women and boys and girls, really take that to heart. And it's normal that mommy is this and daddy is that. It's just like more normalized. The roles are more generic.
Lisa Danylchuk 43:50
You mentioned breaking barriers, and you have a podcast with that name, right? Is that something that's just internal? Or is that something people can access and listen to?
Dui Turner 43:58
No, I mean, that is related to my job is a wonderful podcast that's in Spanish and English, that we have different episodes, but really, is focused on what I do in uniform. And it's called Breaking Barriers because we highlight women in defensive security breaking barriers in the Caribbean and Latin America. It's available online. We can put it in the show notes. We are on episode 12. We're about to launch episode 12 if I'm not wrong. It's in Spanish, but really, we have episodes in English too. There are amazing women who have served their countries. Who have wonderful experiences. Who have had all different kinds of roles and really very, very inspirational in nature. So yes, I invite is called Breaking Barriers podcast from United States Southern Command.
Lisa Danylchuk 44:50
Yeah, we'll definitely put it in the show notes.
Dui Turner 44:52
And it's for men and women to listen by the way. It's very inspirational to all.
Lisa Danylchuk 44:56
Yes, love that. So what would you say to perhaps a woman or someone female-identifying who wants to step into, like more of a leadership role that might be in the military that might be outside? What are some things you've observed that are helpful for people who are kind of growing in that direction?
Dui Turner 45:16
I think for one is to focus on your talents, right? This idea of perfection, let's just crash that right, there is no perfection. So all of us, we have something to offer to the world. And it might be that you're a great speaker, or you are great at organizing and monitoring your great scientists. Whatever it is, like focusing on that talent. And in making it so wonderful that you're one of a kind. For me, now, of course, we want to grow in areas that maybe don't come naturally. But I think it's important to be kind of a sort of a subject matter expert in something we really good at what you are. Also, as women and men, as we develop our leadership styles, it must be authentic. Sometimes, at one point we see in the military that you must be this gun hole, you know, people we talk, we study leadership in the military, so is like, you know, the last affair which you don't want to be that person, or the, you know, leading from the fraud. And I actually went to ask me and I get asked this quite often as what's your leadership style, my leadership style likes to define as mindful leadership and is sort of a servant leadership, that also reflects very reflective in nature. And there's a, you know, there's a component of self-care, of grounding of realizing that. So I would say to someone or a woman that you know, about his leadership, is really fine. What is authentic to you, you don't have to be the whole yelling from the front. Maybe you have a different style, but finding that and being authentic, because I think people gravitate towards people who come transparent.
Lisa Danylchuk 46:54
Yes, yeah, people feel that.
Dui Turner 46:56
And then surrounding yourself, with people who love and it will elevate you, because regardless if you're in the military. If you're a yoga teacher. If you're a mom, a CEO, you know, adversity will happen. And there will be times that you will want to quit. You will find that life is not linear or to the top, there will be setbacks. And maybe in those times, is when you need to rely on people who love you, who can gather around you and lift you. And then you do your inner work too. So I think that's where yoga, mindfulness calm is like, you know, there's all these tools. There are the people who love you. There's this tool that when you don't feel like getting out of bed, you take one more breath, and you drag yourself to the shower, and you come back a little bit more rejuvenated one step at a time and get out of the rut. Because that's a natural part of life. And so equipping yourself with the right people with the right tools to keep plugging and moving forward one step at a time. And I think naturally, you'll find your place in the world.
Lisa Danylchuk 47:55
Yeah. And just in the context of the world right now, there were always so many challenges. But it seems like in these last handful of years, there have been excessive amounts of global and systemic, and personal challenges that come with that. So any other sort of yoga-inspired or mindfulness-inspired general advice you'd have for folks who are just like, I'm just hanging on by a thread these days? What are some practices that really help you?
Dui Turner 48:23
Okay, I think, like one that I really rely on, every day is breathing. Well, I think, you know, we have so many, I wouldn't say triggers, but there's so so many things that happen in the world that demand the reaction out of us, right, and we and we can subscribe to that. So at noises and your boss that walks in or your spouse or significant other didn't did you know what you expected him or her or they to do. So you are reacting to the world. And when we take control of the work of breathing, we are able to, again, I mentioned that earlier, self-regulate and have a little bit more of a saying in how we react, right. And even if you're triggered, you can okay for a moment, I'm going to inhale and exhale longer. I do that all the time I go to these meetings with these big people and they're you know, I'm like, I don't have all that rank. And I'm like, super intimidating, and you can help but your heart starts racing and then you have to talk and the last thing you want is to come with a cracking voice or, you know, show that you're prepared. So, I mean, simply putting my feet on the floor, pressing it down. You know, we talked about different things, but for the yogi's listening, you know, you extend your Shushuma. You roll, roll the, you know, extend your spine, you roll the shoulders, and you inhale and exhale longer and that right there helps to bring down all this you know, all this demand for reaction in the world and you start self-controlling. So for me, breathing works really well. And then also works well when I'm like 3 pm an I really wish I could use an espresso right now. And then just a little bit of my more vigorous breathing. So I think the breath gives us an opportunity to respond to the world in a way that we have more of a saying than the world just demanding of us a response. So breathing for one, I did talk about posture, you know, I have scoliosis. I have bad posture and work all day on the computer. But I do think that posture is also another important tool. You know, as you come into a meeting, as you're engaging with your spouse or even your children. Like today, when my children, one of my boys was having a meltdown. I literally widened my stance. And I held him with both of my hands very grounded, so I could support him in that moment. And he felt that I was there, like, as the parent not intimidated that this meltdown will pass, and I'm here for you. So I think the posture is like how we portrayed ourselves in the world, and that is not necessarily just the physical thing, right, because we can also think of someone in a wheelchair, someone that is missing a limb. It can also project and take the space in the world, that's very empowering. So the breathing and how we, you know, I think that comes a lot from yoga, the posture that we think the stance that we take, in front of our everyday life is very important. So those two things I think is part. It's the now. It's natural, to me. It's part of my daily life. I rely on it, sometimes even more than maybe I should. But I'm always looking at my breath, and posture, breath, and posture, whenever I come to the zone is that I am a little bit off.
Lisa Danylchuk 51:36
Yeah, and I feel like you know, as someone who thinks and talks about those things all the time, too, and writes about them. And there are still areas, there are always areas, I feel like I can expand that into, there's always some moment of lack of awareness, or where it's not fully integrated, where I'm like, well, actually, I could just take a breath right now. And that would really help. Right? And so, you know, even like those of us who are super immersed in this stuff, there are those moments where, yeah, we get swept away in something. And the more foundational, and the more we repeat those things, I think, I don't know that you can do it too much. Maybe to the point where, and this happens too, your partner or your people around you're like, okay, with, okay, with the breathing with your postural shifts over here. But it's so valuable. 100% agree with you that awareness of those two things, what's my body doing, what's my breath doing, can really be a window into making a choice that influences your mood, your experience, and sometimes even the outcome, your behavior and the outcome of your day, if you're able to kind of catch those little windows and make it maybe a little bit more graceful transition than would have happened if you didn't take that breath.
Dui Turner 52:51
Yes. And, you know, I don't want to, like bring us into something that maybe is not as uplifting as the conversations we're having. But, you know, again, I'm a realist. And in what we do, we do have a large number of people in the military who cope with depression, exhaustion, stress, anxiety, and ultimately, you know, the worst thing to happen is someone taking his or her own their own life. And I think, you know, the breath really can create the space between this action, right? That's very hurtful to oneself, and the people who love you know, love us is like taking that one breath of may create the space between a decision that is unfortunate, right? So this control of the breath is really like it can be very, it can be in has been for some life-saving.
Lisa Danylchuk 53:49
Absolutely.
Dui Turner 53:50
With that space to react in, you know, and then like in other things that we did talk about, you know, in relationship to others, I think, I think it almost becomes to a way of communicating. My husband sees me breathing a certain way. He's like, ooh, better not mess up. She is recentering, and self-regulating right now. The message like, I need my space right now.
Lisa Danylchuk 54:18
Alex is the same way. He's like, What was that breath about? And I'm like, I'm breathing. I'm taking care of like, I'm not doing anything. He's like, oh, I know. You're upset because of how you're breathing. I'm like, okay, but I'm taking care of it. Give me a minute. Actually, I appreciate you bringing that up. And I know it is a heavy topic. But I'm, you know, also thinking about friends I've had, who have a couple of friends come to mind who have lost siblings who are in the military, and it's one of the things that drove me to want to be a part of the project where we met, and continue. Like sometimes I think everyone knows about yoga and how good it is for the trauma recovery community to end up in these little bubbles in your world. And you're like, oh, it's, yeah, everyone knows this. And then I hear another story like that. And I'm like, no, there are still so many people who could benefit from a practice like this, that gives us real experiences of oh, that, you know, that 45-minute practice or that three-minute practice made a big impact on how I feel. And then they can start to have the agency to bring that into their lives. And, you know, we don't know what doesn't happen. But we do know, a lot of the times when we do lose people that there's some crack in the support system, or, you know, something that it would have been helpful for them to have, perhaps would have been helpful for them to have access to, and we can never know for sure, but I really believe in offering these types of practices, because they're so simple. It's not even in your pocket, it's like, always with you, in your body. And it's as simple as that little moment of awareness of, let me take a let me take an inhale and a longer exhale right now. And knowing how you know, inhales versus exhales, or, you know, all this sort of premium or breathwork stuff we learn as Yogis, that stuff is so valuable, and it goes with you everywhere, right? You're breathing as long as you're alive. And if you're not breathing, you're not going to be alive very long. So having those tools to self-regulate, having that opportunity to meet your mood, or your energy with something that can even give a subtle shift is just so powerful and empowering.
Dui Turner 56:32
Absolutely. And, you know, I think to me, one of the things that I like to say one point ask me, like, what are some of the things you say repeatedly, and when I was working with veterans that now are learning the new, their new version of themselves, right? Because they either had like a, an accident or a combat wound and now you know, their physical body is different. So I would get like, wow, I cannot practice yoga, because don't you see, Dui. I'm you missing a limb or this and also, well, if you're breathing, that's the only requirement. So it doesn't matter, if you're breathing, you can practice yoga. And really, that is the truth, that's the only requirement is to be breathing. If you can breathe, you're alive. And you can practice yoga. And it can be just, you know, focusing on the breath. Or it can be a more sophisticated expression of physical expression. But at the end of the day, really law comes to the, you know, pranayama, the breath, that's the foundation, and it's available, and it's universal to everyone. So that's exactly what you said, we go all around the world. And we can bring that with us. We don't need a fancy yoga mat that's nonslippery, we don't need the pants that are waterproof, or whatever, sweatproof. All you need is to be breathing. That's it.
Lisa Danylchuk 57:52
Right? And the, if you go back to some of the ancient texts, some of the Indian texts. You just see people sitting mostly and like the really early yoga stuff was just find an Asana, find a seat, right. And I know sitting is problematic for some people. You could be standing. You could be anything. You can be lying down. Right? But it's more about that mindful observation of self and experience and that opportunity to tune in and regulate.
Dui Turner 58:21
For sure.
Lisa Danylchuk 58:23
So, I always love asking this question at the end, what's giving you hope right now?
Dui Turner 58:29
Oh, what a wonderful question. At a personal level, I think what gives me hope is seeing my children, you know, growing up, and that we're doing the best that we can with the tools we have, but that gives me hope that there's a future that is exciting. That in seeing them growing every day and to me that that for sure. I think at a larger scale other than my immediate domain and my family was really seen like a change in the in mindsets, right? I know there are lots of difficulties or lots of injustice. There's a lot of wrong things going on in the world. But at the same time, I also see, especially in the business that I am. That there's hope. There's hope that there's more. Empathy will prevail. There's hope that we're going to look at one another in a more level field. I see those very harsh, you know, old thinking like really like going away in the new, exciting I love working with the new generation. I have seen in my business. I see senior leaders. They get it. They get it because they have to manage human capital. The mid-level, as you know, the people have been around the block and they're not really up there. They're not super young. They're the ones that are like sticky because, you know, they haven't. They have still that mentality. But then there's this new generation and they're just like, so open, so vibrant. I love working with interns. I love working with Millennials. And the other generation. So, you know, I do think that that, you know, there's a lot of hope there. And there's a lot of change happening, and we have to stick with the optimism. I liked in the words of Colin Powell, you know, who was a great general. You know, optimism is a force multiplier. And I think he's right.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:00:22
And what's next for you? I know, you've been writing, I know, you're moving towards retirement, like what's coming up in your world?
Dui Turner 1:00:32
Yes. So yes, I am coming up to the end of my military service, I actually already have approved orders to retire on January 2023. So it's a done deal.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:00:44
Oh my goodness. That's coming soon.
Dui Turner 1:00:46
Yes, 25 years of military service. I think yesterday was like 25 years, 3 months, and 14 days or something like that, like by the time I retire. So it's a big transition, right? And what is next for me, is, hopefully, I would like to continue my education. I like to do more research, writing, and learning about women's leadership. And also focusing on Latin America, this is my specialty. I think mindful leadership will be a big part of it. Like bringing this, you know, this empathetic role to self-care. The really like the whole posture, the breathing. I think all that is part of being a good leader, and my 25 years of military service really brings me to that very clear conclusion. So I think I can talk about that, and research about that with a high level of competence. So like to do that. And as continue writing, I know, you know that I'm writing a book. I'm really, like, it is really in the final stages, and I just haven't had the time, which is mind your class is a book for yoga teachers who want to teach in a military setting. So we'll talk about the science of yoga for individuals, and veterans coping with trauma. We talk about the art and we talk a little bit about the language, you know, getting that knowledge that's important to make a welcoming and safe space. And then the, then we're going to talk about the youth. Us the authenticity I mentioned earlier is interesting, because now like covers all the things we talked about, right? Coming in as a teacher, I don't think is necessarily only for working with veterans coping with trauma, but really coming into a setting where you're confident. Where you're authentic. Where you use language that resonates with you. And even if we make a mistake, it's okay, like you can recover. So that's what the book is about. So now, I plan from October on to complete that. Hopefully, by the time I retire from the military, I have completed that manuscript. Yeah, and as in continue sharing, you know, the lessons that I have learned along the way, either being in yoga or with my military experience and continue the learning. That's, that's for sure. So I love it.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:03:02
Thank you so much for sharing that I can't wait to read your book. And I know a lot of people who will just be ready for that and so enriched by it. So thanks for all the effort that I know, there's a lot of effort that goes into writing. So thanks for all the time you're carving out, and I'm all that you're dedicating to that. So if people want to connect with you, what's the best way a website. Is there social media?
Dui Turner 1:03:27
How can people connect with you? Yes. So for my personal social media on Instagram, @integrativeworld. And the same thing, a web page. I have integrativeworld.com. That's my web page. Also on Facebook, all those integrative worlds as always are my way. My grassroots community. I believe in community. I think one thing that maybe I want to revisit on your question, what's next? Is it really, this idea of community, right? For us, the military in transition, we come from a community that's very supportive, or like, you know, we gather around we support one another. And to me, it's very valuable to feel that way as I transition. So I'm fortunate that I am part of a wonderful community here in Miami. That's embracing and welcoming, and that I have this other is not only about the military, but now the transitioning community. This is a space that's welcoming of people like me, who are, you know, now completing a phase and starting another one. So, yes, so if you want to keep in touch with me, I love that because community is a big deal. And even if it's a virtual community, it's it would be wonderful to keep in touch.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:04:42
It all matters and I think like once you have a real sense of someone and a connection to them, and there's this like, just knowing they're there. Like for me just knowing you're out there. Sometimes I see you on social media, and I'm just like, yes, good people in the world. I don't know why but I always think of it. It's funny because I have these headphones on now. When I make smoothies, I think of you because you posted once one where you had your kids with the right with headphones on to protect their hearing while you're making this movie. And I was like, brilliant. I'm like, just like thinking of the levels of health. They're like, not only are you making this green smoothie for your children, but you're also protecting their hearing. How smart? So I think of you when I make smoothies.
Dui Turner 1:05:25
Thank you, yes, that's, well wait, I would put some time. Now I'm actually most active on LinkedIn. My name Dui Turner, just because I'm so devoted right now, to the work I'm doing. I think, my last very last very last very last stretch of this long run. And, and so I have been really focused on my military job. And a lot of what I do with leadership with connecting with women across the hemisphere, all that I communicate through LinkedIn as well. But I think I will naturally, you know, leave that alone a little bit, and then focus more on my integrative world, which is, what is next for me, so.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:06:07
Nice. I love it, Dui. I'm so glad you exist in the world. So I appreciate that you are maximizing your human potential, because it's beautiful to observe and be a part of these moments when we connect, and I really hope we get to see each other in person sometime soon. Because, yeah, it's just really special to get to spend that time with you in New York.
Dui Turner 1:06:29
Oh, thank you. Thank you, Lisa, thank you for this wonderful podcast, your message, the work that you have done, I think in a way, it's, it's, you know. It's easier for me because I'm in the military and working with the military community, but I really honor and admire people who are not part of our community, necessarily, but that extend their support their knowledge, you know, their arms towards us. So for me, it's very valuable. And I know you do that you continue to do that. And, and, and not only for the military, but I mean, this podcast is a wonderful way that so many people can be reached and have this idea of yes, you know, we can heal ourselves as a community as individuals. So I will, you know, I'm going to be a little cliche here, but I salute you for that.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:07:20
I would like oh, my dad tried to teach me once. Was it the wrong hand?
Dui Turner 1:07:26
There's a way yeah.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:07:29
I'll let it go. I'll leave it to you. I'll leave it to the expert.
Dui Turner 1:07:32
We'll have a personal class. Next, we see each other.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:07:35
Perfect. Thank you so much for coming on the show Dui. I so appreciate you coming on.
Dui Turner 1:07:40
Thank you, love you. And thank you, for the audience too.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:07:45
Love you too.
Lisa Danylchuk 1:07:51
Thanks so much for listening. My hope is that you walk away from these episodes feeling supported, and like you have a place to come to find the hope and inspiration you need to take your next small step forward. I do want to make sure it's clear that this podcast isn't offering any prescriptions. It's not advice or any kind of diagnosis. Your decisions are in your hands, and we encourage you to consult with any relevant health care professionals you may need to support you through your unique path of healing. For more information and resources, please visit my website howwecanheal.com. There you'll find tons of helpful resources and the full transcript of each show. You can also click the podcast menu to submit requests for upcoming topics and guests. Before we wrap up, I want to say thanks to our guests today, to Christine O'Donnell and Celine Baumgartner of Bright Sighted podcasting, and to everyone who helped support this podcast directly and indirectly. Alex, thanks for taking the dogs out while I record. I'd also like to give a shout-out to my brother Matt. He passed away in 2002. He wrote this music and recorded it and it makes my heart so happy to share it with you now.
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